Negotiations........why?

[AANOTOK]

Without out even knowing this guy, I can tell just by him opening his mouth, he too is overpaid. His ignorance speaks volumes.
He has that old school of thought that a bag smasher is nothing more than a bag smasher. Get a clue, clown. I will not offend all mechanics/AMT's here as I know there are those who get it and also deserve much more than what they are being paid. But this clown is probably the laziest of the lazy and wants our work group to make less so he can sit on his ass and make more. Keep opening your mouth, you are speaking VOLUMES!

 

[WeAAsles]

Back on topic:

According to Kev. This raise at Delta puts their top pay mechanics at $41.14 not including licenses and shift premiums.

I'm curious how does that compare to UPS and Fedex rates?

 

[bob@las-AA]

FC are overpaid for the job they do, my belief. If the market rate keeps them at that pay great for them. The riff between Line and OH has been there for a long time. Should the line make more then OH? yes.
But since we are suppose to be a union that opportunity should be available for all mechanics. Lets erase the line  vs OH  and let seniority and skill dictate pay. I work the line and lean for us to make more, but OH should have the opportunity to be able to come to NY LA ORD and work for the higher pay an A&P is an A&P wether Line or OH .     

 
 

Oh and I'm glad that you admitted you work the line and are not a part of the ATD. Because if you were I'd really have to make a few phone calls to some friends to see if we can find out who you are, and have your tail tossed out of their ASAP.

You certainly aren't a true Union man IMO.

You don't get it.

Careful ATD, wezz will send in the TWU minions to give you a tune-up!
 
This level of entertainment is just priceless. In the gate-house yesterday, everyone was abuzz with the news about DL. Everyone was trying to figure out ways to spend the money.

 

[Herenthesouth]

I'm not sure if this has already been on a post or a thread, but if so it needs to be said again. Everyone is waiting and wondering why the M&E Group hasn't started negotiations yet. We keep hearing reasons from both sides why their not. The bottom line is we are still under contract until 2018 and THE COMPANY can only go to the Union and want to open the contract up and negotiate a new contract and they know this. It doesn't matter if the Association is ready or not. The saying at headquarters today is "Why do we have to buy the cow when we get the milk for FREE". They have no intentions on joint talks anytime soon. So all these town hall dog and pony shows meeting, with all their scripted answers about wanting and ready for a JCBA is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The heat needs to be turned up on upper management to open up this contract and get negotiating. It's going to be up to us to turn the heat up. Your not going to get a angry, strongly worded letter from our Association saying how un-happy we are about the pace of these lack of talks. I think management doesn't think we know that they have to open up the contract and is buying more time and saving tons of money. Maybe that's the questions that needs to be asked to Parker or Isom at the next Dog and Pony show. Remember the saying at Headquarters is. "WHY BY THE COW WHEN WE GET THE MILK FOR FREE"

 

[Albert]

Oh and I'm glad that you admitted you work the line and are not a part of the ATD. Because if you were I'd really have to make a few phone calls to some friends to see if we can find out who you are, and have your tail tossed out of their ASAP.

You certainly aren't a true Union man IMO.

You don't get it.

He has a skill and he is compensated for it although he  thinks he should be paid more and I think he has a good case . What he doesn't understand is how quickly he could be replaced. How many employees per aircraft does AA have compared to the others?

 

[Albert]

I'm not sure if this has already been on a post or a thread, but if so it needs to be said again. Everyone is waiting and wondering why the M&E Group hasn't started negotiations yet. We keep hearing reasons from both sides why their not. The bottom line is we are still under contract until 2018 and THE COMPANY can only go to the Union and want to open the contract up and negotiate a new contract and they know this. It doesn't matter if the Association is ready or not. The saying at headquarters today is "Why do we have to buy the cow when we get the milk for FREE". They have no intentions on joint talks anytime soon. So all these town hall dog and pony shows meeting, with all their scripted answers about wanting and ready for a JCBA is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The heat needs to be turned up on upper management to open up this contract and get negotiating. It's going to be up to us to turn the heat up. Your not going to get a angry, strongly worded letter from our Association saying how un-happy we are about the pace of these lack of talks. I think management doesn't think we know that they have to open up the contract and is buying more time and saving tons of money. Maybe that's the questions that needs to be asked to Parker or Isom at the next Dog and Pony show. Remember the saying at Headquarters is. "WHY BY THE COW WHEN WE GET THE MILK FOR FREE"

I think the company is ready, willing and able I think the infighting at the ASS is holding things up. Admittedly yesterdays news changes things so the ASS probably has to regroup so i'll  give them a little time

 

[1AA]

I think the company is ready, willing and able I think the infighting at the ASS is holding things up. Admittedly yesterdays news changes things so the ASS probably has to regroup so i'll  give them a little time

Define your definition of "A little time".

 

[scorpion 2]

FC are overpaid for the job they do, my belief. If the market rate keeps them at that pay great for them. The riff between Line and OH has been there for a long time. Should the line make more then OH? yes.
But since we are suppose to be a union that opportunity should be available for all mechanics. Lets erase the line  vs OH  and let seniority and skill dictate pay. I work the line and lean for us to make more, but OH should have the opportunity to be able to come to NY LA ORD and work for the higher pay an A&P is an A&P wether Line or OH .     

The quality of work and level of detail between line and overhaul has no comparison. I have been looking at the **** coming in from the line for years and trust me the worst mechanic in overhaul looks good compared to some of the crap thats rolled in after years of (line) jiffy lube service. This post is not one that i wanted to make but the arrogance of some of these posters is pathetic. I have no problem whatsoever with a COLA but I do take issue with the WE ARE BETTER MECH's nonsense and deserve more money because of it. But hey for Delta + 7 and at the new Delta pay rates you may get the chance to work beside some of us piss poor overhaul AMT's brother. Some of us that would have left the industry when the hammer drops on overhaul may stay in the game for a few more years for that kind of money.

 

[Albert]

Define your definition of "A little time".

They have to make the necessary adjustments at their next meeting at the end of the month after that they are fair game

 

[1AA]

The quality of work and level of detail between line and overhaul has no comparison. I have been looking at the #### coming in from the line for years and trust me the worst mechanic in overhaul looks good compared to some of the crap thats rolled in after years of (line) jiffy lube service. This post is not one that i wanted to make but the arrogance of some of these posters is pathetic. I have no problem whatsoever with a COLA but I do take issue with the WE ARE BETTER MECH's nonsense and deserve more money because of it. But hey for Delta + 7 and at the new Delta pay rates you may get the chance to work beside some of us piss poor overhaul AMT's brother. Some of us that would have left the industry when the hammer drops on overhaul may stay in the game for a few more years for that kind of money.

Before you start a war, I will let in on a secret. It's the TWU that created the war on line vs overhaul. I can tell you I had my fair share of issues wrong with aircraft just out of overhaul. I'm not going into details but let's move on with the topic.

 

[WeAAsles]

I think the company is ready, willing and able I think the infighting at the ASS is holding things up. Admittedly yesterdays news changes things so the ASS probably has to regroup so i'll  give them a little time

Not sure where you're getting your info about infighting from? One group maybe? The group you're in, no.

 

[scorpion 2]

Before you start a war, I will let in on a secret. It's the TWU that created the war on line vs overhaul. I can tell you I had my fair share of issues wrong with aircraft just out of overhaul. I'm not going into details but let's move on with the topic.

I didnt go into details for obvious reasons just wanted some of our brothers to know Tulsa can hold its own. The twu has created the division but some folks like to lash out at anything convenient.

 

[MetalMover]

The quality of work and level of detail between line and overhaul has no comparison. I have been looking at the #### coming in from the line for years and trust me the worst mechanic in overhaul looks good compared to some of the crap thats rolled in after years of (line) jiffy lube service. This post is not one that i wanted to make but the arrogance of some of these posters is pathetic. I have no problem whatsoever with a COLA but I do take issue with the WE ARE BETTER MECH's nonsense and deserve more money because of it. But hey for Delta + 7 and at the new Delta pay rates you may get the chance to work beside some of us piss poor overhaul AMT's brother. Some of us that would have left the industry when the hammer drops on overhaul may stay in the game for a few more years for that kind of money.

This is crap talk. Try using your vast OH experience and take care of that TCAS problem or a/c not taking fuel with minutes until departure with passengers on board. Remember, the bird isn't in the barn for days, maybe weeks. And before you answer just MEL it...not everything is placardable. OH work is different than line work. Is one more important than the other? Absolutely NOT. So your telling me all the #### comes from the line? Please. 
And YOU may have no problem with COLA, but it sure was reflected in the rejected T/A which led to this debacle we have. 
I've been listening to the "WE FEEL YOUR GUYS ON THE LINE'S PAIN.....But heaven forbid you guys have supported GEO pay. 

 

[Buck]

While I have never worked the Line, I do understand that Time is a factor for the mechanic working there. Yes we see deferred items that come from the field,  however I would say here in the 737 
group that the majority of field items we work are structure related. There is just not enough time to do this at a line station. There is also some issues where  we know that a MRO has been involved and once the aircraft is routed to Overhaul we can Re-Repair these items. While I also believe that the TWU has had infighting over the years, where the Overhaul outnumbered the Line, the reverse is now a fact. The union's excuse has always been the numbers game, whereby majority rules. But a good example of how these unions are two faced, is the Association and all the way back to 1983 where the TWU started dividing itself with the B-Scale. It is obvious that the union cares little what the membership says, the Union hierarchy does what it believes is the best for Unionism and it does not matter if you vote or not.

 

[WeAAsles]

They have to make the necessary adjustments at their next meeting at the end of the month after that they are fair game

Absolutely. Add another 14.5% to every line of the scale down. 2 minutes later, on to the next topic of discussion.