Negotiations........why?

[Deleted member 14439]

Just read the latest update. They plan on meeting again end of the month. Please be patient during this complex process. What happened to starting negotiations with the company 30 days after the ratification of the association? Did they not know the complexity of having two loser unions trying to work as one would be complicated? Holidays are approaching. Guess what will happen? NOTHING. After October's meeting things will slow down for the holidays. See ya in January.

Yep, I believe you are 100% correct.

 

[toroshark]

Pretty sure there are no AMFA guys on the fleet negotiation panel. Dont see a whole lot coming out of that committee either. This quasi-association scam was a forced turd from the get go. All concocted to maintain the dues flow with a self-serving brand of dictatorial representation.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Our contracts don't become amenable for yrs so why would the company want to open the negotiations?
 
 
Can either of the TWU or IAM supporters tell us all just what each committee Fleet or Maintenance is putting together to form ONE Proposal if and when the Company decides that we have completed the infighting? 
 
What we have or lost and what we will gain will depend on all of us. Just what are the IAM team members looking to bargain for?  What are the TWU members looking to get back since we have less to loose. The IAM Lost theirs in the two BK processes, we here at AA just bent over to protect the union dues numbers.
 
This Negotiations has Nothing to do with AMFA that has been decided here at AA. The majority of the members in Maintenance don't see the positive in switching unions.
We the Organizers could not in 17 yrs get enough cards to remove the TWU.
 
The TWU/IAM have come together to save one another from being removed from yet another carrier. But due to the AFL-CIO's plan they get to collect dues from both work groups.
 
Have heard that DP is a smart man, why would he bring his legal team/HR Reps and invest time negotiating with two parties that can't agree on what is in each others contract that is going to be acceptable to both memberships. Since most of us feel the TWU & IAM have failed us and we all have a Lack of trust in each unions leaders are you all going to let these teams tell you what you want?
 
They have had all these meeting but has anyone heard from any of these members and said the IAM is stuck on this or that or the TWU wants this? Negotiations, are a give and take Just what are you will to give up to get what you want and What are you willing to fight for to keep or get?
 
Until the company hears from the Association that they have worked out all the differences we the members will be living under the contracts we signed. Like it or NOT...
 
The Company and DP have told us we will get Delta +7%, I ask you when have either US or AA given any of us the membership Fleet or Maintenance some thing just because?
You must of seen or been affected by some of the new work rules since the coming together of US/AA. Do you all think its going to get better or worse?
 
DP and his team is Laughing at us all the way to the Bank. The TWU & IAM are just trying to keep their pockets lined with our dues. If you aren't involved in what is going on you are Going to get just what you put In.
 

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[AMFAinMIAMI]

700 you have been on the negotiating committees in the past. in normal (not bankruptcy) negotiations what is the most difficult item  money, scope or what ?

 
Seriously are you kidding, he has never held a high ranking union position.
Just look at what has happened to the US membership under the IAM. Two BK's, abrogated contract, Pension in the PBGC, Creation of the IAMNPF with the company/IAM members oversight and the lowest rate of pay in the industry.
 
He is NOT in the industry NOW and has not been for yrs.

 

[700UW]

You are totally clueless, US wanted to lay off 46% of the workforce and terminate our pension.
 
We could never agree to that, would you?
 
And you dont know me nor what positions I have held nor what I have done, I was also on the CO IAM FA NC.
 
You sit behind a keyboard, and throw attacks.
 
You worry more about trying to discredit me than doing anything to improve your union or get a new one.
 
I wasnt even born when the IAMNPF became to existence, and it was negotiated for PMUS mechanic and related in 2008, and I wasnt part of those negotiations nor am I a member or the IAMNPF.
 
So what other lies are you going to make up next?  You are the WorldTraveler of the AA board.
 
So once again in your eagerness you make yourself look like even more of a fool.
 
And Albert, Scope was the hardest thing, as Scope means jobs, and jobs is money.

 

[toroshark]

What do you get out of trying to sell us on the IAMPF scam then?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

You are totally clueless, US wanted to lay off 46% of the workforce and terminate our pension.
Just as NWA wanted to do with the amfa represented members, but you bad mouth AMFA.
We could never agree to that, would you?
I didn't agree and walked the picket line at Eastern, The IAM just took it at USAir.
And you dont know me nor what positions I have held nor what I have done, I was also on the CO IAM FA NC. You yourself said that you were an IAM shop steward and never rcvd any money other than your Stipend. You made copies and distributed information. IAM Flight attendant Negotiation team. Stores and Utility clerks at US. Your own words coming back to haunt you.
 
You sit behind a keyboard, and throw attacks.
 
You worry more about trying to discredit me than doing anything to improve your union or get a new one.
 
I wasnt even born when the IAMNPF became to existence, and it was negotiated for PMUS mechanic and related in 2008, and I wasnt part of those negotiations nor am I a member or the IAMNPF. I am talking about the creation of the fund at US I don't care about the fund as a whole only at US
 
So what other lies are you going to make up next?  You are the WorldTraveler of the AA board.
All of this is what you have said you have done or have said on this site.
So once again in your eagerness you make yourself look like even more of a fool.
 
And Albert, Scope was the hardest thing, as Scope means jobs, and jobs is money.

 
Albert
 
If you think that scope means jobs which is money then that way of thinking is why we have the Association here at AA now to save jobs and money for the IAM & TWU.
 
It's has not been about the membership in a long time that is why US Airways had a Teamster card drive and here at AA we had so many AMFA card drives the failure of these two unions to bargain for the members instead of making deals for themselves. 700 does not work in any capacity for the IAM NOW and is NOT part of US or AA. 

 

[767 mechanic]

Miami you are 100% correct. This DIP **** states that the iam could not accept a 46% layoff but he expected the AMFA to accept a 53% layoff which included 100% of title 2 or what the iam calls facility maintenance. How many times have we heard HER  say that it was an ill advised strike. SHE is nothing more than a HYPOCRITE.

 

[700UW]

She?
 
You miss bio in school?
 
So where is AMFA at NW?
 
We were in chapter 11, NW was not when AMFA walked, compare apples to apples not oranges.

 

[1AA]

Slow down boys and girls. Let me get my popcorn and sit down and catch up on this fun. I always enjoy a good drama. And who's talking AMFA now?

 

[scorpion 2]

Slow down boys and girls. Let me get my popcorn and sit down and catch up on this fun. I always enjoy a good drama. And who's talking AMFA now?

Apparently the slow pace of discussions (negotiating whats to be negotiated) between the two unions is a sign of whats to come,, "absolutely nothing".  We havn't even got to the corporate slow play part of the talks when the corporation and the ASS discuss serious articles like bulletin boards. All this AMFA talk is nothing more than pre defensive posturing because 700 knows that eventually the hold outs from the last drive are going to wake up to the scam ASS's bs and sign a card.  There is really ho other reason for him or any else to start the anti AMFA rhetoric unless he has  knowledge that the ASS is running out of steam and powerless to force the corporation to negotiate outside of section 6.   

 

[1AA]

Like AMFA in Miami said, both sides have a contract. No rush on the company's part. Example is UAL/CAL. The company is sitting back and watching the association unfold to its true colors. One day we will all wake up and realize we all got played. I may never see that day while employed at AA. The two sides are going to beat us down again and we will end up voting yes to anything that sounds good. The company and the association knows this. It's a time consuming event until we will be told to vote Yes to save job's and this is the best we can get from the company.

 

[MetalMover]

She?
 
You miss bio in school?
 
So where is AMFA at NW?
 
We were in chapter 11, NW was not when AMFA walked, compare apples to apples not oranges.

You know 700, you're the only one bringing up AMFA in almost every topic.

 

[700UW]

You know 700, you're the only one bringing up AMFA in almost every topic.

Wrong 767mechanic did

 

[MetalMover]

Wrong 767mechanic did

Ok, but you bring up AMFA to keep reminding those of us who support AMFA to defend whatever is you are debating. We know for the time being AMFA is a non issue.