Negotiations........why?

[1AA]

You would think that if The Association was working for the best interest of the members when the CEO is offering 7% above "competition" wages and swearing no give backs in work rules you would think they would at least give him a call.

If we had a union that cared more about the members than their own pockets, I say yes. Two unions arguing like little kids on who wants what and who is better than who. Wonder why the company is not wasting their time with a proposal?

 

[dfw gen]

You would think that if The Association was working for the best interest of the members when the CEO is offering 7% above "competition" wages and swearing no give backs in work rules you would think they would at least give him a call.

You would think so! But we have had no say on anything why start now?
They have no accountability at all.

 

[mike33]

If we had a union that cared more about the members than their own pockets, I say yes. Two unions arguing like little kids on who wants what and who is better than who. Wonder why the company is not wasting their time with a proposal?

  You guys are pathetic......  4-7 ppl  ( 1AA, dfw gen, AMFAinMIAMI, BUCK, Buster crc, METAL MOVER, Birman) saying that they are demanding information like they are the voice of the membership. Get over yourselves and " Sit Down" for christ sake. All you want is for AMFA to be in but they are out!!!!! Get over it already! 

 

[MetalMover]

  You guys are pathetic......  4-7 ppl  ( 1AA, dfw gen, AMFAinMIAMI, BUCK, Buster crc, METAL MOVER, Birman) saying that they are demanding information like they are the voice of the membership. Get over yourselves and " Sit Down" for christ sake. All you want is for AMFA to be in but they are out!!!!! Get over it already! 

Doesn't the union work for the membership This has nothing to do with AMFA.....This has to do with a bullcrap ASSociation we did not have a say in. This has to do with a union who feels no need to be held accountable to its members. All we want is an update regarding the negotiations BETWEEN THE TWO UNIONS!  Since when is asking for information from the union leadership an unreasonable request?

 

[conehead777]

You guys are pathetic......  4-7 ppl  ( 1AA, dfw gen, AMFAinMIAMI, BUCK, Buster crc, METAL MOVER, Birman) saying that they are demanding information like they are the voice of the membership. Get over yourselves and " Sit Down" for christ sake. All you want is for AMFA to be in but they are out!!!!! Get over it already!

Your pathetic mike we are due paying members we have the right to know what's going on. In our contract it's our lively hood . I can't wait till afma gets in its not dead wait till the association comes back with there typical losing contract afma will be back on the table then

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

  You guys are pathetic......  4-7 ppl  ( 1AA, dfw gen, AMFAinMIAMI, BUCK, Buster crc, METAL MOVER, Birman) saying that they are demanding information like they are the voice of the membership. Get over yourselves and " Sit Down" for christ sake. All you want is for AMFA to be in but they are out!!!!! Get over it already! 

 
Mike33
 
In my opinion, attempting to bring AMFA here to AA is OVER, I along with others have tried for many yrs but after this last failed go around your right there. The AA guys like the TWU and the promise for a better future.  I don't think I will see another contract here at AA, unless the assoc. just signs it and You don't have a say.
 
With the merger of 2 unions with members who for the most part don't care due to the fact that they are so used to having little to no representation. Just go to stores get the 1 gal white bucket and get two scoops, 
 
Wanting to show guys that it's more than Delta+7% that they should be thinking about. Many have said that we signed a contract last go-around with blank pages. AA filled it as they went. 
Can we all assume that you live in a low cost of living city and the money you get from AA far surpasses the needs of your family? Unions yrs ago fought hard for the Perks we have today. No matter what industry sick time, Holidays, rates of pay, etc.. all of it is because men/woman
said enough is enough yrs ago. It has been shown so many times here on this forum what we as TWU have lost or voted to give up. This is the contract with the association as the union to get back what was while AA is making BILLIONS. This is the contract that will secure your future. 
 
I hope that you have lots of time with AA since my belief is that if DP gives up the money he is going to cut the numbers to what they have at Delta & United. Then you and all the IGM will have no one to blame but yourselves. 

 

[700UW]

Its not a merger of two unions, the TWU and the IAM are not merging.
 
They formed an association, just like the CWA/IBT have had since 2005.

 

[Roadking5560]

That's the best you can do?  No "what a great association"! or we're all the better because of it!  Where's your enthusiasm for such a great meeting of two wonderful unions who put their members members first?

 

[Traymark]

That's the best you can do?  No "what a great association"! or we're all the better because of it!  Where's your enthusiasm for such a great meeting of two wonderful unions who put their members members first?

He doesn't have to laud the Association.
He is a IAM mouthpiece and he knows they run the show for the first 2 years.
The TWU will be relegated to bringing the coffee and doughnuts when the IAM asks for them.

I'm not happy with how the representation came into being, but, it's what we have now.
The best thing we can do is contact whoever represents us at our stations and let them know the direction we would like to see. It might not do any good, but then again , if they hear from enough about certain issues, it might move the needle.

If what was reported earlier about the IAMNPF not being made mandatory and that we will in fact have a choice to stay in a 401k match instead is true, then that is one example of our voices being heard.

I'm keeping an open mind, but I'm concerned.

 

[southwind]

Its not a merger of two unions, the TWU and the IAM are not merging.
 
They formed an association, just like the CWA/IBT have had since 2005.

LOOK! It's the IAM's head cheerleader!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

He doesn't have to laud the Association.
He is a IAM mouthpiece and he knows they run the show for the first 2 years.
The TWU will be relegated to bringing the coffee and doughnuts when the IAM asks for them.

I'm not happy with how the representation came into being, but, it's what we have now.
The best thing we can do is contact whoever represents us at our stations and let them know the direction we would like to see. It might not do any good, but then again , if they hear from enough about certain issues, it might move the needle.

If what was reported earlier about the IAMNPF not being made mandatory and that we will in fact have a choice to stay in a 401k match instead is true, then that is one example of our voices being heard.

I'm keeping an open mind, but I'm concerned.

 
TM
 
I assume you have little time with AA and the TWU, I say this because you should know by know if the local station reps had any influence things would be different. Other than a bypass, O/T, and other local city issues, they don't even keep the mgmt from doing your job. I assume you work in fleet/ramp. The TWU does not even have a system in place to keep cities informed as to what violations of the contract are being done to other cities. There is NONE due to the IGM here at AA. They even say we here don't have the issues you have (at your city)we have a Great working relationship with Mgmt.
 
The open mind statement , shows AA and the rest of the employees here, that all of what has happened in the past to us all as a UNION still has had no effect on YOU. Give them one more chance. AA is making BILLIONS.. Since 2003 what substantial pay/benefits have we gotten?
​You do realise it's 2015 and our contract does not become amendable until 2018. US Airways signed a contract just last yr after how many yrs of attempting to get a new deal? With IAM.
 
Now we have the Association a combined IAM/TWU union.
 
You should be concerned, BIG TIME,  

 

[1AA]

Its not a merger of two unions, the TWU and the IAM are not merging.
 
They formed an association, just like the CWA/IBT have had since 2005.

That's the exact reason we are not getting along. We do it this way and you do it this way. Not a merger more like a North Korea vs South Korea. I can't believe that I fully agree with you. It is not a merger.

 

[Buck]

  You guys are pathetic......  4-7 ppl  ( 1AA, dfw gen, AMFAinMIAMI, BUCK, Buster crc, METAL MOVER, Birman) saying that they are demanding information like they are the voice of the membership. Get over yourselves and " Sit Down" for christ sake. All you want is for AMFA to be in but they are out!!!!! Get over it already! 

Who do think owns the contract? Perhaps if you did some research, you would have known this. The problem is when we as dues paying members fail to read the TWU Constitution and the By-Laws, we grant the union authority just by voting to maintain their services. This is also why we have attempted change to a different organization, one where the Constitution is written for the members and not against them. AMFA and the fact that the company has the choice of farming out, have one thing in common, FEAR , the fear that is a natural tactic to keep the membership of the TWU in line.

 

[toroshark]

He doesn't have to laud the Association.
He is a IAM mouthpiece and he knows they run the show for the first 2 years.
The TWU will be relegated to bringing the coffee and doughnuts when the IAM asks for them.
I'm not happy with how the representation came into being, but, it's what we have now.
The best thing we can do is contact whoever represents us at our stations and let them know the direction we would like to see. It might not do any good, but then again , if they hear from enough about certain issues, it might move the needle.
If what was reported earlier about the IAMNPF not being made mandatory and that we will in fact have a choice to stay in a 401k match instead is true, then that is one example of

 

[Vortilon]

The mere fact that AA colluded with the TWU to keep the AMFA off the property, ought to be enough reason to give any fence sitting AMT pause.  All one has to do is look at what the TWU has slowly done to AMT pay since 2003.  Every other work group has made higher gains than AMTs - numbers don't lie.  Anybody remember when AMTs made about $5.00 more per hour than Sim Techs?  I do; now, AMTs are lagging in pay to Sim Techs by over $5.00 per hour.  Thanks TWU, and Jim Little.  Oh Jimmy took care of his homies over in dispatch as well.  Heck dispatchers are looking at about $60 bucks per hour now.  Not bad for 12 weeks of nite school.  Look at what the TWU's latest slight of hand did with the industry averaging raise, by giving Facilities Maintenance 80 cents more than an AMT for base pay.  Then further, giving skill pay to just about anyone - even further "devaluing" your A&P license pay.  Anybody think that things are gonna change for AA's AMTs with this unholy alliance of the TWU & IAM negotiating with a baggage handler chairing the AMT's negotiating committee, would be dreaming.  It's all there in black and white.  The AMTs at AA will never get a fair contract with this Association, look for more creative wealth redistribution.