Negotiations........why?
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Exactly, I am one of many, but I guess not enough to try something to fix what has been broken. I have 31 years of service and I do remember early in my attempt to seek change, that part of the problem was not just TUL. The Line was also an obstacle but a minority that was comfortable with where they were in their life. I use the singular, because I have never seen solidarity of which the TWU speaks. About 15 years ago portions of the Line started finally questioning why their fellow mechanics at other airlines were constantly being award contracts that always exceeded their own. There has always been the fear propagated by the TWU. Fear is a very good tool for a union who has in my time never practiced the definition of what unionism is defined to be. I hope that in the future that one of two things happens. The first that the membership get a good contract, because that is what is important, to improve ourselves. The second that the mechanic and related finally see that there is a future like the Pilots and Flight Attendants.swamt said:
Nope. Not on the nego cmte. Which they have been prepping and are ready for mediation since about a year ago. Unlike your new association being forced upon you guys without a vote as promised by the TWU and the IAM and as well as a certain individual out here that I was able to prove wrong from the very beginning. Your association has only met one time (7-6-15) in all this time has pass when they could have been meeting and prepping knowing this association was going to go thru without a membership vote. You and your group are the ones that are wayyyyy behind on prepping for any kind of contract talks, and we will all watch just how long it will take...Overspeed said:
Buck, I am sorry for being so blunt but there were a number of us trying to warn your membership about what was really going to take place. I too hope you guys are able to get a better contract. What worries me is the concessions that will also have to take place. Too many differences in the way the TWU and IAM are doing things in the 2 different contracts will have to become one and it will be interesting to see which way those will all go when they finally do arrive to a single JCBA. Pretty sure it will be a nightmare going back and forth, but with the IAM in charged first 2 years, pretty sure it will lean towards the IAM's way of doing things. I do wish the best for you and all at AA that are going thru all this mess with this association, but it will be a long hard ride to get thru it all. Good luck...Buck said:
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They havent met only one time, they are meeting from the sixth, through the end of the week.
And even though they werent officially meeting over the past few months, their counterparts have been in constant communication.
They werent/arent at Placid Harbor for one day.
They arrived this past Sunday and will depart this Friday, and they will be more meetings and negotiations will commence.
Nightmare?
The IAM at US/PI have been through several mergers which resulted in a JCBA, not an impossible task, you take the best of both and go fro there.
It happened in PI/Empire, PI/US and US/HP.
Did you have JCBA negotiations with the AirTran Merger?
And even though they werent officially meeting over the past few months, their counterparts have been in constant communication.
They werent/arent at Placid Harbor for one day.
They arrived this past Sunday and will depart this Friday, and they will be more meetings and negotiations will commence.
Nightmare?
The IAM at US/PI have been through several mergers which resulted in a JCBA, not an impossible task, you take the best of both and go fro there.
It happened in PI/Empire, PI/US and US/HP.
Did you have JCBA negotiations with the AirTran Merger?
chilokie1
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Can you answer a few simple questions that I can't seem to get answers from my local.
1. Why did the TWU agree to the Association?
2. What benefit will the average TWU member see with the Association that it wouldn't
have seen with any other form of representation?
3. Why did the questionnaire that the TWU/IAM released say that the membership would
get to vote & then reverse that answer?
4. Is it true the Association will be a committee of an even number of reps from each union,
with an additional member from one union who will be classified as the chairmen of the Association,
and hold that position for 2 years. The next 2 years the chairman position will be held by a member of
the opposite union?
5. How did the Association decide that the first two years (the JCBA years) would be chaired by the smaller
union (as far as AA is concerned) ?
6. Why does the smaller union have the same number of seats on the association?
7. Has the clock started on the first 2 years yet? If not when?
I would appreciate your response to these questions, but only if you respond to all 7 questions
Can you answer a few simple questions that I can't seem to get answers from my local.
1. Why did the TWU agree to the Association?
2. What benefit will the average TWU member see with the Association that it wouldn't
have seen with any other form of representation?
3. Why did the questionnaire that the TWU/IAM released say that the membership would
get to vote & then reverse that answer?
4. Is it true the Association will be a committee of an even number of reps from each union,
with an additional member from one union who will be classified as the chairmen of the Association,
and hold that position for 2 years. The next 2 years the chairman position will be held by a member of
the opposite union?
5. How did the Association decide that the first two years (the JCBA years) would be chaired by the smaller
union (as far as AA is concerned) ?
6. Why does the smaller union have the same number of seats on the association?
7. Has the clock started on the first 2 years yet? If not when?
I would appreciate your response to these questions, but only if you respond to all 7 questions
Overspeed
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How are the professional negotiators doing over at Southwest? Three years and counting. Just asked for a mediator and most airlines last what? 18 months? 24 months? How long has UA and the IBT been in mediation? 36 months? Southwest AMFA could not be seeing a TA until 2017/2018.
How are the professional negotiators doing over at Southwest? Three years and counting. Just asked for a mediator and most airlines last what? 18 months? 24 months? How long has UA and the IBT been in mediation? 36 months? Southwest AMFA could not be seeing a TA until 2017/2018.
Really not that concerned about how they are doing at Southwest...but looking at their current compensation package vs ours I would say they have done pretty well....and unless they go into the concessionary mode they will continue to due well. Pretty sad when you have to hear "we are waiting on United to settle or hoping Delta goes up" in order negotiate. Time for the IAM to become leaders vs followers...Going by past history the only thing the IAM was good at has been concessions...Really hoping that will change...
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