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bagsmasher
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Hey you are right! I am a Baggage Smashing Technician. Maybe AMFA will accept me now. I am now a "PROFESSIONAL". I pity the poor little blue collar worker who is riding on my coattail.
Mechanics to get Hose Again!
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On 2/8/2003 8:58:17 PM aapitbull wrote:
Hey guys I'm in for a 3rd party I can't stand the dem or rep and it would mean alot less strange looks at the voting both as I flip that half dollar in the air!!!
Ha ha ha!!!!
GO AMFA
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Pitbull, I'm with you, 3 parties would be fantastic, or better yet during the Primarys how about a "None of the above", this would show the Politicians that the voters don't like that particular candidate, and that party can come up with a different candidate.
Now since most people trust their Garbagemen more than politicians, why don't we limit the politicians to 2 terms, 1 term in office and 1 term in prison.
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On 2/8/2003 8:58:17 PM aapitbull wrote:
Hey guys I'm in for a 3rd party I can't stand the dem or rep and it would mean alot less strange looks at the voting both as I flip that half dollar in the air!!!
Ha ha ha!!!!
GO AMFA
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Pitbull, I'm with you, 3 parties would be fantastic, or better yet during the Primarys how about a "None of the above", this would show the Politicians that the voters don't like that particular candidate, and that party can come up with a different candidate.
Now since most people trust their Garbagemen more than politicians, why don't we limit the politicians to 2 terms, 1 term in office and 1 term in prison.
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bagsmasher
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My issues are not with TWA, but with Carty for starting this mess.
I also don't have issues with the AA mechanics either. I hope when they get AMFA in, they all get corner offices, a secretary, and all the other perks reserved for "PROFESSIONALS."
I also don't have issues with the AA mechanics either. I hope when they get AMFA in, they all get corner offices, a secretary, and all the other perks reserved for "PROFESSIONALS."
TIME FOR CHANGE
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Southwest AA
Lead Insp. 34.72 NA
Inspector/Lead 32.86 32.36
AMT
AMT 31.00 30.61
License 4.00 5.00
HRly Rate w/lic. 35.00 35.61
Line Pay n/a .55
Shift Diff
1st n/a n/a
2nd . 56 . 51
3rd . 63 . 58
MRT n/a . 50
Longevity . 10 per Yr. . 01 per Yr.
11yrs 1.15 a Hr. . 11 per Hr
12 yrs 1.30 a Hr. . 12 per Hr.
Max accrual 1.30 a Hr. . 33 per Hr. after 20 yrs
A top Paid AMT
After 12 YRS 36.30 a hr. 36.38 a hr.
on Day shift
Sick Bank accrual 2000 hrs 1200 hrs
days 250 days 150 days
Vacation accrual 18 yrs 5 weeks 17yrs 5 weeks
30yrs 7 weeks
Recognized holidays
New Years Day New Years Day
Presidents Day Washington's B'Day
Good Friday Good Friday
Memorial Day Memorial Day
Independence Day Independence Day
Labor Day Labor Day
Columbus Day Columbus Day
Thanksgiving Thanksgiving
Christmas Friday After Thanksgiving
Employees B'Day Christmas
2 Floating Holidays
Both parties receive 2.5 on Holiday work and have comparable work rules concerning holiday pay. Southwest AMTS receive triple time for O/T worked on a holiday.
As you can see AA and southwest pay the AMTS basically the same while there might be some differences in the base rates when you take into account some of the additional benefits at SW you can clearly see that AA AMTS are not the problem, we are on par with the low cost carriers in our field. Let them find the areas that need to be addressed, its not our field. Enough sacrificing for the greater good of the company, I have had it with the nonsense that labor costs are the problem with this airline. We did not share in the wealth during our prior contract, why should we share in the losses of the current problem. When the company has made bad decision after decision it should not fall onto our shoulders to bear the burned of returning this company to profitably.
This company has squandered away the massive amounts of profit that they made while our salaries barely increased, during the same time frame upper management reaped the benefits their salaries increased in a much greater porportion.
I Gave In '95.
See me in 2004.
Lead Insp. 34.72 NA
Inspector/Lead 32.86 32.36
AMT
AMT 31.00 30.61
License 4.00 5.00
HRly Rate w/lic. 35.00 35.61
Line Pay n/a .55
Shift Diff
1st n/a n/a
2nd . 56 . 51
3rd . 63 . 58
MRT n/a . 50
Longevity . 10 per Yr. . 01 per Yr.
11yrs 1.15 a Hr. . 11 per Hr
12 yrs 1.30 a Hr. . 12 per Hr.
Max accrual 1.30 a Hr. . 33 per Hr. after 20 yrs
A top Paid AMT
After 12 YRS 36.30 a hr. 36.38 a hr.
on Day shift
Sick Bank accrual 2000 hrs 1200 hrs
days 250 days 150 days
Vacation accrual 18 yrs 5 weeks 17yrs 5 weeks
30yrs 7 weeks
Recognized holidays
New Years Day New Years Day
Presidents Day Washington's B'Day
Good Friday Good Friday
Memorial Day Memorial Day
Independence Day Independence Day
Labor Day Labor Day
Columbus Day Columbus Day
Thanksgiving Thanksgiving
Christmas Friday After Thanksgiving
Employees B'Day Christmas
2 Floating Holidays
Both parties receive 2.5 on Holiday work and have comparable work rules concerning holiday pay. Southwest AMTS receive triple time for O/T worked on a holiday.
As you can see AA and southwest pay the AMTS basically the same while there might be some differences in the base rates when you take into account some of the additional benefits at SW you can clearly see that AA AMTS are not the problem, we are on par with the low cost carriers in our field. Let them find the areas that need to be addressed, its not our field. Enough sacrificing for the greater good of the company, I have had it with the nonsense that labor costs are the problem with this airline. We did not share in the wealth during our prior contract, why should we share in the losses of the current problem. When the company has made bad decision after decision it should not fall onto our shoulders to bear the burned of returning this company to profitably.
This company has squandered away the massive amounts of profit that they made while our salaries barely increased, during the same time frame upper management reaped the benefits their salaries increased in a much greater porportion.
I Gave In '95.
See me in 2004.
Hopeful
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Bags, you have major issues with mechanics, let alone the TWA deal. What worries you most is the days of your riding on the coattails of the mechanics are OVER. It will soon be time to negoatiate on your own merits and worth. THAT'S WHAT SCARES THE LIVING HELL OUT OF YOU! What are you gonna tell the company at negotiations, "WE ARE THE BEST DAMN BAG TOSSERS IN THE INDUSTRY, WHERE IS OUR $25.00/HR?" The party's over, bagsy boy! The low cost carriers pay their mechanics just about what AA mechanics make. I doubt Jetblue and Southwest pays their baggage technicians what you make.
By the, BAGSYBOY, we don't need an office with secretaries and perks, our offices are the aircraft we keep airworthy. A decent salary is the only perk we need!
By the, BAGSYBOY, we don't need an office with secretaries and perks, our offices are the aircraft we keep airworthy. A decent salary is the only perk we need!
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On 2/9/2003 10:59:06 AM A/C FIXER wrote:
why don't we limit the politicians to 2 terms, 1 term in office and 1 term in prison.
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Unfortunately, one term is all it takes in office, after that, the congressman or senator can get out altogether, while still drawing his salary, (full, not a reduced amount) full 100% coverage healthcare and prescription drugs, full dental, vision for the retiree and their immediate family - for LIFE, a stipend for a private office, and all they have to do is get elected to ONE term and show up for ONE vote, that's it.
Take that one term retirement perk away and you'll find that it's not as attractive for the crooks to jump into politics as one might think. The politicians should have to accept the same terms under the same social security plan that they screw with every day - like Dubya's latest ploy to take 2 trillion out of the SS reserve to fund "Homeland Security"
Does anyone know what they are doing with that estimated 60 million a day they are raking in off each airline and train ticket sold?
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On 2/9/2003 10:59:06 AM A/C FIXER wrote:
why don't we limit the politicians to 2 terms, 1 term in office and 1 term in prison.
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Unfortunately, one term is all it takes in office, after that, the congressman or senator can get out altogether, while still drawing his salary, (full, not a reduced amount) full 100% coverage healthcare and prescription drugs, full dental, vision for the retiree and their immediate family - for LIFE, a stipend for a private office, and all they have to do is get elected to ONE term and show up for ONE vote, that's it.
Take that one term retirement perk away and you'll find that it's not as attractive for the crooks to jump into politics as one might think. The politicians should have to accept the same terms under the same social security plan that they screw with every day - like Dubya's latest ploy to take 2 trillion out of the SS reserve to fund "Homeland Security"
Does anyone know what they are doing with that estimated 60 million a day they are raking in off each airline and train ticket sold?
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RV4/AKA AMFADave just how much of a tax cut have you seen? I could not find it in my paycheck. I am opposed to reducing the tax rate any further because government expenses are not going down, they are re-directed towards areas where the wealthy make their wealth and where they benefit more than the person who pays a lot less in $$ but about the same percentage of income.
I don't expect you to agree or understand that when you and Carty are done paying your taxes, his remainder allows him to plan for the future, your's allows you to plan till following Friday.
RV4 it is rather interesting that you should accuse others of class warfare when the union you advocate has aimed to create a class of employees that are worse of then you. As for everyone negotiating their own pay, the pilots have, and the mechs at NWA are doing the same, pay is going up and headcount is going down. How much more work can that outfit in Singapore absorb from AA?
RV4/AKA AMFADave just how much of a tax cut have you seen? I could not find it in my paycheck. I am opposed to reducing the tax rate any further because government expenses are not going down, they are re-directed towards areas where the wealthy make their wealth and where they benefit more than the person who pays a lot less in $$ but about the same percentage of income.
I don't expect you to agree or understand that when you and Carty are done paying your taxes, his remainder allows him to plan for the future, your's allows you to plan till following Friday.
RV4 it is rather interesting that you should accuse others of class warfare when the union you advocate has aimed to create a class of employees that are worse of then you. As for everyone negotiating their own pay, the pilots have, and the mechs at NWA are doing the same, pay is going up and headcount is going down. How much more work can that outfit in Singapore absorb from AA?
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On 2/9/2003 3:27:28 PM j7915 wrote:
[[So your opposed to a tax cut that would give you more money in your pocket simply because a rich guy might get a cut also?
Your class warfare rhetoric is nothing more than liberal fear. In fact nearly everything you just posted is based on fear and negative thoughts.
j7915,
PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH YOUR SOLUTION???]]
RV4/AKA AMFADave just how much of a tax cut have you seen? I could not find it in my paycheck. I am opposed to reducing the tax rate any further because government expenses are not going down, they are re-directed towards areas where the wealthy make their wealth and where they benefit more than the person who pays a lot less in $$ but about the same percentage of income.
I don't expect you to agree or understand that when you and Carty are done paying your taxes, his remainder allows him to plan for the future, your's allows you to plan till following Friday.
RV4 it is rather interesting that you should accuse others of class warfare when the union you advocate has aimed to create a class of employees that are worse of then you. As for everyone negotiating their own pay, the pilots have, and the mechs at NWA are doing the same, pay is going up and headcount is going down. How much more work can that outfit in Singapore absorb from AA?
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Class Warfare?
J7915 you are an advocate of the B-Scale through the SRP Classification and you accuse someone else of Class Warfare? Your consistant I got mine brother attitude is pathetic at most. You claim to be an advocate for the working man, but in reality you are nothing more than the evil Republican you detest, just at a different level. You claim that the rich are in it just for themselves, that sounds just like you, "I got mine brother". From 1983 until the present you and your kind have stolen the wages of the union brothers and sisters you claim to support, through sub standard negotiations. When the mechanics begin to tire of this, then you claim they are anti-union and only supporting the ideas of the rich. Look at yourself, every time you voted yes for the contracts since 1983 you have voted for fleet service. Time after time the negotiators have used the mechanic to make gains far beyond what the company would have gave. As for headcount going down, that is what it is about for you, right? The fear of the number of dues payers dropping. The less dues paid the less you can count on the support of the liberal left wing communists to help your cause. I am for any tax decrease, especially when I can contol more of my own money. As for the 22% increase in the last contract, thank you mechanics at NWA represented by AMFA and the Republican PEB.
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On 2/9/2003 3:27:28 PM j7915 wrote:
[[So your opposed to a tax cut that would give you more money in your pocket simply because a rich guy might get a cut also?
Your class warfare rhetoric is nothing more than liberal fear. In fact nearly everything you just posted is based on fear and negative thoughts.
j7915,
PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH YOUR SOLUTION???]]
RV4/AKA AMFADave just how much of a tax cut have you seen? I could not find it in my paycheck. I am opposed to reducing the tax rate any further because government expenses are not going down, they are re-directed towards areas where the wealthy make their wealth and where they benefit more than the person who pays a lot less in $$ but about the same percentage of income.
I don't expect you to agree or understand that when you and Carty are done paying your taxes, his remainder allows him to plan for the future, your's allows you to plan till following Friday.
RV4 it is rather interesting that you should accuse others of class warfare when the union you advocate has aimed to create a class of employees that are worse of then you. As for everyone negotiating their own pay, the pilots have, and the mechs at NWA are doing the same, pay is going up and headcount is going down. How much more work can that outfit in Singapore absorb from AA?
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Class Warfare?
J7915 you are an advocate of the B-Scale through the SRP Classification and you accuse someone else of Class Warfare? Your consistant I got mine brother attitude is pathetic at most. You claim to be an advocate for the working man, but in reality you are nothing more than the evil Republican you detest, just at a different level. You claim that the rich are in it just for themselves, that sounds just like you, "I got mine brother". From 1983 until the present you and your kind have stolen the wages of the union brothers and sisters you claim to support, through sub standard negotiations. When the mechanics begin to tire of this, then you claim they are anti-union and only supporting the ideas of the rich. Look at yourself, every time you voted yes for the contracts since 1983 you have voted for fleet service. Time after time the negotiators have used the mechanic to make gains far beyond what the company would have gave. As for headcount going down, that is what it is about for you, right? The fear of the number of dues payers dropping. The less dues paid the less you can count on the support of the liberal left wing communists to help your cause. I am for any tax decrease, especially when I can contol more of my own money. As for the 22% increase in the last contract, thank you mechanics at NWA represented by AMFA and the Republican PEB.
On 2/9/2003 3:27:28 PM j7915 wrote:
How much more work can that outfit in Singapore absorb from AA?
This is a very good question and while I don't know the answer, I would bet if you give the company and TWU about 60 days you are d@m sure going to find out!!!!
GO AMFA
How much more work can that outfit in Singapore absorb from AA?
This is a very good question and while I don't know the answer, I would bet if you give the company and TWU about 60 days you are d@m sure going to find out!!!!
GO AMFA
J7915,
I noticed you failed to provide us with your solutions.
Instead in typical industrial union fashion headed right back to politics searching for someone else to blame.
Are you as big of advocate of voting yes on concessions as you have been for dumbing down the profession in exchange for jobs? I bet we could ALL agree to work for $10 per hour and everyone would avoid layoffs. You favor that too?
BTW, the tax relief package proposed by the evil Republican President is not being held up by other evil Republicans. It is your working man's party that wants to keep your wallet in Washington. That evil man did get you a $600.00 rebate check, NOT ENOUGH, call your democrat dogs off and you might get some of your money back.
Does anybody know why every thread on this board gets off topic? Is it because stupid sheep are incapable of finding the "NEW TOPIC" button?
I noticed you failed to provide us with your solutions.
Instead in typical industrial union fashion headed right back to politics searching for someone else to blame.
Are you as big of advocate of voting yes on concessions as you have been for dumbing down the profession in exchange for jobs? I bet we could ALL agree to work for $10 per hour and everyone would avoid layoffs. You favor that too?
BTW, the tax relief package proposed by the evil Republican President is not being held up by other evil Republicans. It is your working man's party that wants to keep your wallet in Washington. That evil man did get you a $600.00 rebate check, NOT ENOUGH, call your democrat dogs off and you might get some of your money back.
Does anybody know why every thread on this board gets off topic? Is it because stupid sheep are incapable of finding the "NEW TOPIC" button?
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bagsmasher
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Hopeful,
I just checked the TWU/WN contract.
As of 7/1/02 Southwest ramp pays $21.63
As of 7/1/05 Southwest ramp pays $24.00
Get your facts straight before spouting off all that misinformation.
I just checked the TWU/WN contract.
As of 7/1/02 Southwest ramp pays $21.63
As of 7/1/05 Southwest ramp pays $24.00
Get your facts straight before spouting off all that misinformation.
