Decision 2004
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I think the graph left him so befuddled he couldnt even type out a semi-coherant reply.Decision 2004 said:Can you translate this message? I really don't understand your point!
Is this actually English? Or some language that the liberals have developed to communicate with legal er uh illegal aliens?
Bob, funny, the president of the US received around 25% of the vote, but he is still making the rules at this time. You are trying to twist the politics of voting to your advantage. Whether you like it or not Randy McDonald represents all members of local 514. Last I checked that is how democracy works. Of course maybe AMFA will only represent those who can prove they support it? Your mind set is running in interesting directions.Bob Owens said:For that matter it is also an example of AMFA's democracy is action, each local gets one vote during negotiations, but all the members of all locals have to pay dues based on their headcount.
First of all, the members do not pay dues based upon the headcount of their Local.
Every member gets to vote for ratification. One member, one vote, and each member casts their own vote-no proxy voting like corporations and the TWU.
Why should Randy McDonald get to vote in behalf of 7000 members when less than half of that number ever cast a vote for him? He may have won the right to represent them, but should he also have the right to vote for them? Should he also have the right to determine the future of over 16000 members, most of whom are not in his local based upon as little as 3000 votes in Tulsa?
So AMFA modeled their "democracy" on that of The United States of America, while the TWU, according to you, modeled their "democracy" on that of big corporations.
Which structure is more "democratic"?
The one vote per Local guarantees equality at negotiations. The larger locals still have the advantage when it comes to ratification.
The TWUs structure pretty much makes the majority of locals spectators, not equals. Its like our government where the two Senators from sparsly populated Oklahoma have the same electoral power in the Senate as New York or California, however in order for a bill to become law it must also pass the House of Representatives where proportional represention, and voting exists. Its a form of checks and balances that ensures that the smaller states cant just be disregarded by the larger states. If we simply allow majority rule, without any safeguards for the rights of the minority then there is no moral, ethical or practical reason for the minority to support or remain associated with the majority. If you want unity, it has to be fair, something that you and your comrades have absolutely no comprehension of.
Go tell that to the 718 That lost their job security and hit the street.j7915 said:Whether you like it or not Randy McDonald represents all members of local 514. Last I checked that is how democracy works.
How about the folks at ATL? AMFA did nothing. At UAL they claim ignorance while they were trying to become the representing union, during contract talks and after 9/11.Decision 2004 said:Go tell that to the 718 That lost their job security and hit the street.
Go tell that to the guys who took aa 34% paycut.
Go tell that to someone that cares who Randy McDonald represents, which is not many, he will NOT be re-elected.
Number one, ATL Mechanics had job security provisions and CHOSE not to exercise their rights, and as for UAL, if you guys are going to claim that AMFA has some responsibility at an Airline that AMFA has not yet been certified, then will you please get the AA/AMFA organizers into your secret meetings with AA management so we can at least have some input on that which you claim we will be accountable for?j7915 said:How about the folks at ATL? AMFA did nothing. At UAL they claim ignorance while they were trying to become the representing union, during contract talks and after 9/11.
As always AMFA goes fishing in troubled waters. Sort of like two other extremist organizations I can think of.
Dear cool shades, if you don't understand what fishing in troubled waters means then look at the airlines where amfa has organized, they are in financial trouble or in contract talks. Most of your efforts have not gotten you anywhere otherwise.Decision 2004 said:Number one, ATL Mechanics had job security provisions and CHOSE not to exercise their rights, and as for UAL, if you guys are going to claim that AMFA has some responsibility at an Airline that AMFA has not yet been certified, then will you please get the AA/AMFA organizers into your secret meetings with AA management so we can at least have some input on that which you claim we will be accountable for?
Number two, can you tell us the "troubled waters" at AA in 1989 when Scott Davies was fired for running an advertisement in the Tulsa about an AMFA meeting? Can you describe for us the "troubled waters" at AA in 1994 when Kenyon Wallace sued the TWU for being placed in bad standing for supporting AMFA? And can you inform us about the "troubled waters" at AA when 7 Tulsa mechanics sued AA in 1999 for violating RLA 152 Eleventh (inteference in union organizing)? Can you tell about the "troubled waters" at AA when between 1999 and 2001 over 85 TWU members were found guilty of dual unionism? Was there "troubled waters" at AA when Dave Kruse and Dennis Burchette held an anti-AMFA rally on the ramp in June of 1999? Most of the above activity took place during periods of AA record profitability.
Look at the facts j7915, the Mechanics at American Airlines have been in pursuit of AMFA since 1963, and very strong since 1989. "AMFA" is not in pursuit of your union or AA, the Mechanics at AA are in pursuit of AMFA! What part of "FED UP" don't you understand?
Tell us all again about how AMFA is taking any advantage of "troubled waters"? This is nothing more than another TWU liberal attempt to blame someone or something else on TWU failures that trigger membership rebellion.
Get a grip and look at the FACTS! The rest of us are !
We have two at JFK and they end up with more OT than anyone else. They are the two highest paid mechanics in the station.j7915 said:Need I remind you of my earlier question...do they need welders on the line stations?
You sir, are a spinner! :down:Decision 2004 said:There is a big difference between lobbying in Washington D.C. in favor of worker/mechanic specific issues and funding Election Campaigns like Gephardts.
Why is this difference so hard for TWU stooges to understand?
Nobody ever said anything about AMFA not being involved in political lobbying.
It the useless contributions to failing campaigns that only last one week that I hear most members opposing.
Funding Campaigns - FOOLISH
Membership Lobby - Great Idea
TWU and the AFL-CIO - FAILED POLICY
AMFA - HOPE of Our Future and Profession
Tell us Mr. Mullings, did Gephardt refund your contributions once he quit?