Management Presents "plan" To Afa

[usfliboi]

PITbull,

I have heard you can never please everyone, but I assure you I have heard that the PIT Local AFA has tons of respect from folks in Maintenance. There are numerous people that appreciate what the PIT Local AFA does. We just need to get the Local PIT Mechanics & Related union to toughen up and not resemble a company union as much as they do.

Pitguy ! Why would they respect afa? All we have done or our leaders is bark The same yours has done. I mean what can we expect them to do in the end? They can only do so much What would you want your union to do differently as in vs what they have or havent done so far?

 

[PITbull]

USfliboi,

Here is an ephiphany for you tonight....

Wallstreet are a bunch of gamblers who spend their money shorting calls and puts, playing with options and futures, and placing money very often in "risky investments. It is not labor's responsiblity to subsidize stake holders investment in companies that are considered "risky" investments. Workers are not beholden to stock holders or increasing major stakeholders "share" value.

Our jobs on the font line is to provide the best service and meet the customers' expectation. This is our product...."service". Those are the folks who pay the bills and keep us in business; not the investors who try to maximise share holder value on their investment. Stop being brainwashed by management in taking the responsibility to worry about Bronner's investment....just worry about the customer. If Bronner isn't making what he should, he will take is money off the table. We as labor, won't subsidize gambling.

 

[PITbull]

OK PITbull,

I humbly and graciously accept your offer to instruct me on the structure of how things work inside a modern union.

I don't like what unions have become in my mind. I think the average worker has been in to many cases been ill served by their leadership. Some of the stuff I read on here if half of it's true I'd be hunting Perry Hayes down with an automatic weapon if I was an F/A. (I'd have to borrow the Ammo from AOG, LOL, I haven't fired the thing in so long I wonder if it works)

But you know what? Let's forget all of that. Educate me, I have always been eager to learn new things. I'm serious, I'm not blowing smoke.

On a side note i was very encouraged and even proud of you and your courage to post what you did. You probably have taken a lot of heat.

Again I accept your gracious offer.

I gave you an education just on that post. I have been educating you since the beginning of my posting some 2,400 posts ago. What? Should I start over? You missed class, go to the back of the room and put your head against the wall.

You can't always believe what certain "mangement shills" say about union leaders. Management is not a big fan of Perry's nor are they big fans of councils 40 or 70 of AFA who are constantly in their face. Management does like to be challanged and they do not like you to bring light to their "ineptness".

Elections are going on in two bases at U. The two big bases, CLT and PIT. Management will be out trying to interfer with PIT base elections covertly, even on these boards. 😛h34r:

 

[USA320Pilot]

PitBull:

PitBull said: "Same exact words from the mouth of "USA320pilot". They say that the environment has changed so quickly that the emerged -BK business plan could not sustain the current environment. So the blame was placed on the "changing-world-forever" line. And I know from that "line", that USA320pilot drank some serious kool-aide up there."

USA320Pilot comments: I find your condescending comments interesting in light of the fact Southwest just announced Philadelphia fares with some tickets priced as low as $29. The low cost carrier is coming into Philadelphia with financial strength and is going to severely undercut US Airways, therefore, with fares this low who is right? Management or PitBull?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[PITbull]

Gee USA320pilot, why not believe management. Can you subsidize $29 fares? We can't match that, therefore we have to offer a superior product with rationalized fares. If you believe the customers on here who have repeatedly said they are not looking for the cheapest fare, just a fare that is more rational with no restrictions for changed itinararies or bookings. Simple, simple.....

So who do you believe, Dave or the customer?

 

[usfliboi]

USfliboi,

Here is an ephiphany for you tonight....

Wallstreet are a bunch of gamblers who spend their money shorting calls and puts, playing with options and futures, and placing money very often in "risky investments. It is not labor's responsiblity to subsidize stake holders investment in companies that are considered "risky" investments. Workers are not beholden to stock holders or increasing major stakeholders "share" value.

Our jobs on the font line is to provide the best service and meet the customers' expectation. This is our product...."service". Those are the folks who pay the bills and keep us in business; not the investors who try to maximise share holder value on their investment. Stop being brainwashed by management in taking the responsibility to worry about Bronner's investment....just worry about the customer. If Bronner isn't making what he should, he will take is money off the table. We as labor, won't subsidize gambling.

amazing! Its your world maam but you obviously dont understand buisness and what makes the world turn. I assure you without those investors madam you wouldnt have a job today !

 

[firstamendment]

How many of those seats will actually sell for $29... ten. SWA is famous for proclaiming these low fares, but you and I both know even SWA can't afford 130 seats sold at $29. This company should be shown for what they are...exploitors.

 

[firstamendment]

Oh, btw, I don't buy the notion that management didn't see the growth of SWA or JB coming. If he didn't see it, he should resign for his stupidity. A little ol lay person like me saw what was happening at JB here in NYC. Does Dave ever read the NY Times, WSJ, or the freakin USA Today?

This group would get my respect if they would just say " we fell asleep as we found breaking contracts and creating havoc with labor more of a priority than creating revenue and keeping abreast of the lcc's growth. We failed you and apologize. We now understand that we need you and will work with labor and not against"

But that will happen the day I actually sleep with a woman.

 

[Analyst]

Hey Pitbull:

USA320Pilot is correct with his comments. While your posting did paint a positive picture on the meeting with management, you continue with the negative diatribes how the AFA will not doing anything until management changes. Guess what? WN and the LCC could care less if CCY changes or how they treat the employees. US will become another BK carrier if the unions do not change their attitude. The LEC Pres in my area has gone on record that he will listen to the company and then make his decision. You know this president to be a fair person. I do agree with your comments about the PAX on this board but I believe they appear to fall in the business category. There are millions of WN PAX that are looking for the lowest rock bottom fare and could care less about amenities. There could be change in the PIT LEC.

 

[Twicebaked]

CHOICE....What lies behind us
and what lies before us
are small matters compared to
what lies within us.

We can't let them beat us down anymore. The employees at U are a great group and we all have "it" in us to withstand this managment until the next one comes breezing through.

 

[PITbull]

USfliboi,

Now I know you have no intellect. Read your last post again....you know nothing about business or the stock market, zero, zip, nothing.

You don't know anything about the flight attendant job either, or the value of the customer and our service. That's sad, and that is why you are so in fear of who you percieve having some kind of authority.

Grow up. Go get educated about business.

 

[PITbull]

Hey Pitbull:

USA320Pilot is correct with his comments. While your posting did paint a positive picture on the meeting with management, you continue with the negative diatribes how the AFA will not doing anything until management changes. Guess what? WN and the LCC could care less if CCY changes or how they treat the employees. US will become another BK carrier if the unions do not change their attitude. The LEC Pres in my area has gone on record that he will listen to the company and then make his decision. You know this president to be a fair person. I do agree with your comments about the PAX on this board but I believe they appear to fall in the business category. There are millions of WN PAX that are looking for the lowest rock bottom fare and could care less about amenities. There could be change in the PIT LEC.

Analyst,

LOL.... for you, that PIT election won't happen fast enough to give you want you want. . She will be in office until JUly. There just maybe a change in your base with your president. Let's see which pres will be reelected. True gage of democracy and personal "report card".... Management has options. These options are not just for labor; managment can address these cost free items or let their arrogance rule their day.


Its not a question that SW and LCC care whether this mangement culture change, what managment needs to WORRY ABOUT, is that without that "change" guess what, nadda, kapish? Its the reality of what's out there. Why are you in fear?

Main issue is Dave has a plan that WILL work, but only if labor subsidizes the difference in lower fares for the customers. HE told AFA, the price difference has to come from somewhere. Same with Bronner, he doesn't care how Dave turns a profit as long as his share value increases for his investment.

So, labor needs to decide if they are willing to subsidize this business plan. As far as AFA is concerned, its not the concessions from what PIT local members have written out, but rather, the day to day issues that jeopardize their jobs on a daily bases for the smallest infraction that keeps their spirits low and places them in "distress".

THAT MUST CHANGE FIRST. Mangement's decision. Personally, I am for whatever the members can live with. I know that the Local President will support what they want and will bring that to the table at the MEC meeting. The rollcall will be used this time for the first time on this issue of concessions. Absent of a ballot from the members to permit the negotiating committee to go to the table with mangement, Local 40 will be no. That is why it is imperative that you must have permission from the membership to open the contracts up.

That is why it is imperative that management put a "plan" in place ASAP to address the employee's issues, morale, spirit, anxiety and distress, build confidence and trust, and build that bridge. That's their responsibility. How important is this "new plan" to them and Bronner? What's it worth? Just takes a little humility and a little decensy.

If its too much of an effort for this management, and they just want to skip that step and attempt to go to "point C", they will have to live with the decision of our members, we all will. And life will go on, it does for the 20,000 already out on the streets for the past 2 years.

 

[hldgmacey]

Employees are like mules, without proper leadership they can be very obstanate. Management is getting paid megabucks to provide that leadership. The new slogan in business is "VALUE ADDED'. That value doesn't come out of thin air, it is what the employee puts into the product.

I think everyone is eager to add value but the motivation comes from the TOP!
It's not all about money. Howbout a little respect.

 

[USA320Pilot]

PineyBob:

PineyBob said: "I for one would like you to explain exactly how two airlines who can't afford a new Crayola box of 64 are going to merge? ATSB monies can't be used for aquisitions as far as I know."

USA320Pilot comments: The OMB federal loan guarantee regulations provide the ATSB with broad shaping power, and there is now reason to believe that could be happening here, similar in scope to the railroad industry and Conrail.

Discussing the situations for which a loan guarantee can be applied, in this case for both carriers, the rules say, "If loan funds are to be used to purchase an existing firm (or the substantial assets of an existing firm), the business plan of the combined entity shall contain a discussion of the way in which any regulatory or judicial approvals will be obtained, including antitrust approval for any proposed acquisition."

Thus, the rules state that mergers are possible using ATSB loan guarantees and I believe the current industry-wide liquidity crisis cannot be resolved to the satisfaction of the board without the long-term readdressing of structural and fundamental problems.

Consolidation of companies in mature industries permits economies of scale and "S" curve revenue gains, which are dramatic in the case of the business partners. Moreover, there is now serious concern on Wall Street about United's reorganization because there are reports the company is going to miss its DIP targets this month and then again in March.

It's my understanding that RSA and its chief executive is said to be willing to provide United with an equity investment in exchange for 51% voting control, which he could then use to merge the carriers.

However, as I have said before, US Airways must first stabilize its finances and United prove it can emerge from Chapter 11, then the two companies may integrate.

With this said, I want to make it clear that I want nothing to do with United Airlines or a merger with the Chicago-based company, but ya' know what, management and Wall Street, the drivers behind a pending deal, did not ask me and its them who want the marriage to finally occur.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Just because wall street is reacting negative towards our company DOESNT mean its Daves fault. Your in correct. The facts are simple. We have needed to do what we are gonna do for a long time. THE ONLY problem wall street has with Dave and this management is that they shouldve done more in BK ( cut cut cut ) Would you or I have liked it NOPE , HOWEVER wall street reacts differently to what you want or I want vs WHAT is good management ! They see furloughs as a good thing they see pay cuts as a good thing. Those are facts. The question here is!!!!!! Have we waited to late to do what shouldve been done years and years ago but because greed was so in volved on both sides , it was never done. BTW You cant have a good buisness plan my friend when your cost wont allow it . Do i need to point out todays environment ? We cant compete ITS PLAIN ITS SIMPLE! Why were a little shorts 330 overloaded for take off and we gotta takes some bags off. BUISNESS 101

Just because wall street is reacting negative towards our company DOESNT mean its Daves fault.

Yes, yes it does. Just whom do you blame? Your employee groups? The employees don't make the business decisions, the management team/BOD do. Blame the decision makers.

THE ONLY problem wall street has with Dave and this management is that they shouldve done more in BK ( cut cut cut )

That is incorrect. Wall Street has more than just a few problems with USAirways management. The decisions, or rather the lack thereof, upon leaving bankruptcy with the lackluster performance in any positive direction has been the deciding factor(s) for the Wall Street community.

BUISNESS 101(sic)

You've overused this particular catch phrase without the knowledge base that goes along with it.

USfliboi - I've spent the better part of my life in running a business and sharing my life with a Wall Street player. You are completely unaware of anything remotely related to Wall Street or Business 101.

Best of Luck
Lark