Management Presents "plan" To Afa

[usfliboi]

usfliboi,

Apparently you either aren't that familiar with the events surrounding CAL's transformation or choose to ignore them since they don't fit your views.

The CAL employees were indeed beaten down by management and bankruptcy. But as 700UW implied, that did not save them. Under the management that beat them down CAL was headed to oblivion. Only new, more enlightened management turned CAL around - a little detail you overlook. The new management accomplished the task by improving the performance through positive incentives and growing the airline.

Jim

They were able to do that bt the enforced cost structure. Period.They didnt volunteer and basically started from scratch .... Im very famliar with it My spouse works for them and has for a while!

 

[usfliboi]

Not sure what your RATTLING about and the info you provided is public knowledge. Some peoples facts i see are always carefully chosen to suit thier argument. First and foremost yours or my facts plain and simple DOESNT change what has happened. You choose to bury your head and ignore. The words on here that i post are my thoughts my views and my IMPRESSIONS. I dont care frankly how we got here. I dont care frankly how we have to get out. I am financialy stable and dont need this job, however I believe in this company and its employees and want it too work. I also dont care to much for those who feel they are always right and " pic and choose" to fit their arguments. For those of you on here who cant figure it out? Im a usairways employee with my own thoughts. I do not represent this company or its thoughts. Because i believe differently than a couple on here you seem the need to spout poke and slither the names out. Sorry my opinion wont change just because its different from yours and because a couple of u think im management wont change it either. I wish i were apart of this management team and FRANKLY have faith in Dave ! Many of you will have to chew leather when and if he is able to turn this airline around. I submit t o you he will and big time. Will we need to sacrifice more? YUP! But in my case theres a choice to define Sacrifice. Give and work or die. I choose to live to fight and to win. Im proud of this airline and most of my fellow employees. Ive been an employees of this airline since before Piedmont made the sad and major mistake of finally being bought by US! I care less whether a union today is there or not. They are great on a day to day operation esp if you call in sick all the time however in times like these. Sad but cant do much but bark. For those of you who feel Im management , lets exchange numbers and finally put that sad argument to rest so you can find another. For those employees who arent so WRapped up in this Goooooooooo Union I already gave Dave **** keep your chin up well pull out just fine. Let them have their say thats what being free is all about! Their opinion is important. It takes 2 sides to meet in the middle.

 

[usfliboi]

I think I finally found a theme song for you 700UW. It's by Jethro Tull and the tittle of it is "Living in the past"

Is Frank Lorenzo even still alive? Has he invested in US?

You and your organization are hypocrits of an order equal to Dave. Union Bosses earning nearly a quarter million dollars annually while thousands furloughed.

You have to ask the question 700UW, If your favorite whizzing post Mr Lorenzo hadn't done what he did would CO even have been around for Gordon Bethune to rebuild? What position would US be in today had CO failed before Bethune got there?

History is a double edged sword and it could have cut very differently if Lorenzo hadn't entered the picture. What would the landscape look like without CO? Suppose Piedmont was the dominate management team instead of the Alleghany boys after the merger? US might have gotten Bethune, then what?

Like I said living in the Lorenzo past serves no one.

Bob

Bob My thoughts exactly !!! However it is fruitless and i assure you not the majority in our group!

 

[usfliboi]

Again! WOW! I didnt care for lorenzo! HOWEVER IT WAS GREED ON BOTH SIDES THAT TORE THE AIRLINES APART!

 

[700UW]

Bob, if you don't hate unions then you must have union envy, making up for some "short" comings?

I guess since you want to call Scotty Ford, Scotty Fraud I will call you pineyBOOB!

I suggest you stick to posting about things you know, once again you are an outsider making assumptions, you are not living it and your $17,500 worth of DMs is not even your money, your company paid for it and lets you keep the miles earned.

Pineyboob, the IAM still represents more airline employees then anyother union, dont make me add you to Chip's category.

And for usfliboi, you can share it with a certain A320 Captain if you like I have your new avatar:

 

[usfliboi]

You know BOB ! As a member of AFA for 17 yrs now I would happen to agree 100% in fact as you were writing obviously the 5 letter word cam out at the same time GREED! Unfortunatly once its done its done. Ill say this P H has been a good friend for along time ( Usairways Pres) He has always been fair and i respect very very much . I support him and feel he tries really hard to b e fare. As far as the day to day whine stuff on here i pay no attention it comes out in the wash . Anything past that ( as far as my union goes) its all a wash before it starts...!

 

[usfliboi]

Bob, if you don't hate unions then you must have union envy, making up for some "short" comings?

I guess since you want to call Scotty Ford, Scotty Fraud I will call you pineyBOOB!

I suggest you stick to posting about things you know, once again you are an outsider making assumptions, you are not living it and your $17,500 worth of DMs is not even your money, your company paid for it and lets you keep the miles earned.

And for usfliboi, you can share it with a certain A320 Captain if you like I have your new avatar:

Great ! Hey is that a mini van ?

 

[pitguy]

I am with you 700. I've had it.

 

[756pro]

usfliboy wrote:

"I am financially stable and don’t need this job"

So to hell with the rest who can't afford to subsidize Dave's pathetic attempts. Too bad give anyway, because I can and want to attitude.


"I wish I were apart of this management team and FRANKLY have faith in Dave!"

You are in the small minority! Wall Street and the analysis disagree with you as well.

Making these statements has done nothing but cement the fact you are a shill or paid in full.

 

[usfliboi]

usfliboy wrote:

"I am financially stable and don’t need this job"

So to hell with the rest who can't afford to subsidize Dave's pathetic attempts. Too bad give anyway, because I can and want to attitude.


"I wish I were apart of this management team and FRANKLY have faith in Dave!"

You are in the small minority! Wall Street and the analysis disagree with you as well.

Making these statements has done nothing but cement the fact you are a shill or paid in full.

Just because wall street is reacting negative towards our company DOESNT mean its Daves fault. Your in correct. The facts are simple. We have needed to do what we are gonna do for a long time. THE ONLY problem wall street has with Dave and this management is that they shouldve done more in BK ( cut cut cut ) Would you or I have liked it NOPE , HOWEVER wall street reacts differently to what you want or I want vs WHAT is good management ! They see furloughs as a good thing they see pay cuts as a good thing. Those are facts. The question here is!!!!!! Have we waited to late to do what shouldve been done years and years ago but because greed was so in volved on both sides , it was never done. BTW You cant have a good buisness plan my friend when your cost wont allow it . Do i need to point out todays environment ? We cant compete ITS PLAIN ITS SIMPLE! Why were a little shorts 330 overloaded for take off and we gotta takes some bags off. BUISNESS 101

 

[Todd B]

Please avoid the name calling. We have already sent one member to the corn fields tonight.

 

[700UW]

I suggest mr pineybob get sent to the cornfield.

How is it he can get away with calling Scotty Ford, Scotty Fraud all the time and not get a trip?

If he can get away with it, we should be able to change his name as he does that to Mr Scotty Ford.

 

[PITbull]

Bob,

There are only two types of "workers"...union and non-union. The majority of the workers here at U are union. Therefore when you say its about the unions, not the workers, you are actually implying a distain for the majority of the workers of U who are union.

Leaders demand concession from mangement because they speak for the members. It is the members that demand managment concessions, and the union leaders who are the voice advocates in the work place must present it.

Its great to have the history of great union leaders, Bob, but to truly understand unions, you must understand, or get educated on its structure.

If you take AFA as an example, the leaders can not get paid more than they would receive at their seniority. IF you had a 10 year reserve as an MEC President, he would get the " option max" he could hold at his seniority at reserve pay rates.

PIT local Pres. for instance, is the LEC President, and MEC member, responsible for PIT/PIW and MAA. Also elected to the committe for MAA negotiations which is added responsibility as well as a "System Board Member" for arbitration hearings.

These added responsibilites do not increase wages or salaries. She gets what her seniority would hold out on the line. No more; no less. When rank and file take wage concessions, so do all the leaders including any vacation, sick premium pays etc concessions.

No wind fall.

 

[autofixer]

Unions have become organizations that preserve as many dues paying union jobs as possible, no matter what. To heck with the membership. Keep the dues coming baby!!!! Thus, MAA.

 

[pitguy]

PITbull,

I have heard you can never please everyone, but I assure you I have heard that the PIT Local AFA has tons of respect from folks in Maintenance. There are numerous people that appreciate what the PIT Local AFA does. We just need to get the Local PIT Mechanics & Related union to toughen up and not resemble a company union as much as they do.