Let them have it
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pay close attention!
they have already tripled the debt bailing out the banks (that closed up, stopped lending, merged and sat on the rest).. that is continously overlooked, like it goes right over some people's head!
that has to be paid back.. by someone.. guess who?
there is no money for 'health care for all' at this point! even if it managed to somehow work!
now...
(unless the middle class, the ones who will get the bill on this one, is going to be OK with covering it for themselves, and everyone else who doesnt pay a cent at all!)
then it is not happening.
they have already tripled the debt bailing out the banks (that closed up, stopped lending, merged and sat on the rest).. that is continously overlooked, like it goes right over some people's head!
that has to be paid back.. by someone.. guess who?
there is no money for 'health care for all' at this point! even if it managed to somehow work!
now...
(unless the middle class, the ones who will get the bill on this one, is going to be OK with covering it for themselves, and everyone else who doesnt pay a cent at all!)
then it is not happening.
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Who really cares at this point, your just spinning in circles now. Listen, we know your a champion for gov run health care, and no one here is obviously going to change your mind. Despite the evidence you yourself provided, you still want to believe that "its gonna be ok". Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
You should stop and think why its prudent to control healthcare costs with the Boomer's starting to retire...........they can't pay for SS and they can't cover medicare....
So its time to die......Obama is into it...how 'bout you?
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So in essence , it all boils down to the same thing per your statement above, "It will be a flat percentage payroll tax paid by everyone working."
In other words, "Take from the people who have earned "IT" and give it to the people that haven't earned "IT" !
It all equals the same result............................."SOCIALISM" ! :blink:
Name "ONE" thing the Federal Government has gotten their greedy hands into that has not turned into a fiasco ? :blink:
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Perfect example of mismanagement? Just look at the stimulus bill that we just had to push thru )without reading it) only to find out its just another pork bill.
Then today we find out that that the adminsitration, drunk with spending power wants more:
Why not? Its not their money. See what happens when you have the gov make decisions? And at the end of the day, the website will be just a big a joke as it is today. At will most likely cost 3X that much.
A good friend of mine who's in web development today sent me an email about this has to be the most expensive website budget ever. Whole advertising campaigns for fortune 500 companies don't cost this much and this is just a website.
Typical example of proverbial $400 toilet seat ripoff and they rub in all our faces. :down:
Then today we find out that that the adminsitration, drunk with spending power wants more:
Why not? Its not their money. See what happens when you have the gov make decisions? And at the end of the day, the website will be just a big a joke as it is today. At will most likely cost 3X that much.
A good friend of mine who's in web development today sent me an email about this has to be the most expensive website budget ever. Whole advertising campaigns for fortune 500 companies don't cost this much and this is just a website.
Typical example of proverbial $400 toilet seat ripoff and they rub in all our faces. :down:
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You wanna be a bit more descriptive here mate?
Please don't tell me, that you think the Social Security program is your example of Gov run success stories.
Are you? :blink:
And now they claim it wasn't enough...............because it was a butt kiss bill to all the DNC constituents that supported the Big O...........payback....
So there should be an outcry of the highest magnitude this time....
Why didn't it work the first time Barry ?
Maybe that's the 1% solution he alluded to that has no money in the bank.... :huh:
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Ahh jeez, :wacko: I dont know why I even bothered then.
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If you are serious.................then all hope is lost for people like you !
I had gotten beaten up pretty badly working in a bar. Got taken to an ER, was treated like crap. Nurse kept trying to get me to sign admittance papers, dumbarse LA cops making fun of the security guard working alone who got beat up. I finally yelled,"I want to be transferred to the VA." Nurse kept telling me it was not possible. I demanded the nurse be arrected for kidnapping. Finnally, they tired of the game, called a medical xport service, and shipped me off to the VA.
Everything was calmer there. I quieted down, got the paperwork started, and I was treated and then admitted. Stayed 2 days. Got very cheap medicine. My visits later on were always pleasent. But all the patients and I had somthing in common, too. No extremly wealthy snobs getting perferred treatment. I got that, having service connected disability. No street hoods about, and lot of very poor. But different then at county hospital, where treatment is free or very cheap. No one around me was a hood. I did not have to worry about the guy sitting next to me. It was like we were all related, like brothers, for we all had somthing in common. And I bet every one who was poor there was very happy not to be at a county hospital, too.
The personalities were more even on the center. And personality being tied with character, we had quality people there as patients.All had been in the milatary. And with few exceptions, whatever life threw at them after they got out, they met the difficulties with courage and resiliance.
Anyway, Not long ago, a troublesome grouth on my lower back was finally at the point of constant annoyance. I stopped in at a VA in the Bay Area(I drive a big rig, always on the move) and they looked at it, and contacted me the next day to come on in the next day and have it removed. The entire operation took 2 hours from check in to oput the door. Two weeks later, a check in with my doctor, an hour tops, and it was done. Fast, effeciant, and pleasent.
And very cheap.
I have heard persons say the VA is a horrable place to go to, but these persons all had one thing in common. Ignorance. They really did not know, so they made it up in their minds that it was so, usually from second hand info and news articiles written by slanderous authors with their own agenda in mind. I have been to LA County hospital, and always was aware I was amoung persons who were willing to hurt me for recreation, hurt me to rob me, hurt me because they were just sociolpathic,hurt me to get in front of me in the line, whatever. I felt nothing but hostilities. The protocol in a gathering of poor in those areas was brutel. Not so, at the VA. And I have never felt comfortable at a regular hospital. Have worked in them, was an EMT as well as a guard. Would rather be associated with the VA.
I cannot compare the VA experience to sociolized medicine. It is the whole enviorment oincluding the patients that make that up. So I cannot say, "Just build a system like the VA, only for non vets". We have that, county to county. The county hospital system. And they serve, cheaply and free of charge the pool of persoms who make up the welefare recipitiants, jail, prison and psych hospital populations, and illigal immigriants and other unlucky enough to be poor, have no insurance and to get injured or sick.
I do not need the insurance system. I do not like it. But I cannot in all honesty express an opinionion on what I personally have no experience with. But I really like going to the VA.
Everything was calmer there. I quieted down, got the paperwork started, and I was treated and then admitted. Stayed 2 days. Got very cheap medicine. My visits later on were always pleasent. But all the patients and I had somthing in common, too. No extremly wealthy snobs getting perferred treatment. I got that, having service connected disability. No street hoods about, and lot of very poor. But different then at county hospital, where treatment is free or very cheap. No one around me was a hood. I did not have to worry about the guy sitting next to me. It was like we were all related, like brothers, for we all had somthing in common. And I bet every one who was poor there was very happy not to be at a county hospital, too.
The personalities were more even on the center. And personality being tied with character, we had quality people there as patients.All had been in the milatary. And with few exceptions, whatever life threw at them after they got out, they met the difficulties with courage and resiliance.
Anyway, Not long ago, a troublesome grouth on my lower back was finally at the point of constant annoyance. I stopped in at a VA in the Bay Area(I drive a big rig, always on the move) and they looked at it, and contacted me the next day to come on in the next day and have it removed. The entire operation took 2 hours from check in to oput the door. Two weeks later, a check in with my doctor, an hour tops, and it was done. Fast, effeciant, and pleasent.
And very cheap.
I have heard persons say the VA is a horrable place to go to, but these persons all had one thing in common. Ignorance. They really did not know, so they made it up in their minds that it was so, usually from second hand info and news articiles written by slanderous authors with their own agenda in mind. I have been to LA County hospital, and always was aware I was amoung persons who were willing to hurt me for recreation, hurt me to rob me, hurt me because they were just sociolpathic,hurt me to get in front of me in the line, whatever. I felt nothing but hostilities. The protocol in a gathering of poor in those areas was brutel. Not so, at the VA. And I have never felt comfortable at a regular hospital. Have worked in them, was an EMT as well as a guard. Would rather be associated with the VA.
I cannot compare the VA experience to sociolized medicine. It is the whole enviorment oincluding the patients that make that up. So I cannot say, "Just build a system like the VA, only for non vets". We have that, county to county. The county hospital system. And they serve, cheaply and free of charge the pool of persoms who make up the welefare recipitiants, jail, prison and psych hospital populations, and illigal immigriants and other unlucky enough to be poor, have no insurance and to get injured or sick.
I do not need the insurance system. I do not like it. But I cannot in all honesty express an opinionion on what I personally have no experience with. But I really like going to the VA.
Convenient to blame the government is it not?
You blame them for not doing enough, them blame them for attempting something.
The party of no welcomes you with open arms.
