Let them have it

700UW said:
Smoking is a personal choice and saying it affects the poor more is not the govts fault, no one forces anyone to smoke and Bush did the same on the cig tax to pay for schip.

God forbid we tax anyone so kids can have insurance and go to the dr instead of being sick and/or die, boy that Obama, what is he thinking wanting to make sure kids can have health care.

And by the way I work for the largest tobacco company in the US.

And why don't we just socialze medicine all ready and take the profit out of it, I would gladly pay a 3% payroll tax like in Canada so everyone can have insurance.
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Canada? Not a good example....

Reality check: Canada's government health care system

Canada's Broken Health Care System

The result is not surprising: waiting lines. The Fraser Institute, a free-market think tank in Vancouver, has calculated that, in 2003, the average waiting time from referral by a general practitioner to actual treatment was more than four months. Waiting times are high even for critical diseases: the shortest median wait is 6.1 weeks for oncology treatment, excluding radiation which takes longer.

Extreme cases include more than a year median wait for neuro-surgery in New Brunswick. The median wait for an MRI in Canada is three months. Since 1993, waiting times have increased by 90 percent.
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Do you actually believe waiting to see a dr is worse than not being able to see one at all because of no insurance?

My son has a cousin who at the time was 23 with no insurance and was diagnosed with thyroid cancer, before any oncologist would see her and a hospital treat her they had to pay $25,000, her parents had to take a loan out and the community held fundraisers to come up with the money for treatment as she did not get insurance from her job as well as her husband did not have insurance.

So if they didn't raise the money she would have died, so you actually believe our system of doing nothing for the uninsured is better than in Canada, Europe or any where else that has socialized medicine?
 
700UW said:
Do you actually believe waiting to see a dr is worse than not being able to see one at all because of no insurance?

My son has a cousin who at the time was 23 with no insurance and was diagnosed with thyroid cancer, before any oncologist would see her and a hospital treat her they had to pay $25,000, her parents had to take a loan out and the community held fundraisers to come up with the money for treatment as she did not get insurance from her job as well as her husband did not have insurance.

So if they didn't raise the money she would have died, so you actually believe our system of doing nothing for the uninsured is better than in Canada, Europe or any where else that has socialized medicine?
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Did you read the links I posted? Perfect examples.

Go ahead do your research, people are dieing in countries waiting for the so called free healthcare. You get what you pay for. The reality is far from what peoples fantasies are with socialized medicine. People have framed their opinion from a Michaels Moore phoney documentry and somehow take it as fact. Far from it.
 
Garfield1966 said:
Do you believe that sort of treatment does not occur every day here in the US?

Just one case of ????

Do a search and bring a meal. You will be reading for quite some time.

I am pretty sure that if Canadians were dropping like flies due to lack of health care we would know about it.
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How would you know about if you dont read about it? Theres plenty of research done on the subject by Canadian research organizations. You think you MSM is going to wait on you with the results? Fat chance.

The facts are, what you get for free is sub par to what you pay for here in the states. Its a trade off, but not with my life. Its my choice, not the governments to ration.

People think that they will get high quality care...for free, when no other nation with socialized medicine has. But people place their faith and believed a moron like Michael Moore to tell them it is. And they believed it.
 
Freedom4all said:
How would you know about if you dont read about it? Theres plenty of research done on the subject by Canadian research organizations. You think you MSM is going to wait on you with the results? Fat chance.

The facts are, what you get for free is sub par to what you pay for here in the states. Its a trade off, but not with my life. Its my choice, not the governments to ration.

People think that they will get high quality care...for free, when no other nation with socialized medicine has. But people place their faith and believed a moron like Michael Moore to tell them it is. And they believed it.
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Try again. I have told this before so I'll say it again. My mother broke her elbow in Berlin. She was 77 at the time IIRC. Three breaks, 11 screws and 2 plats I believe. 11 days in the hospital, 11 days of PT, IV antibiotics and the whole nine yards. Cost, about $4.500 and the insurance would not cover it because it was more care than sh needed. So please, do not tell me of the shortcomings of socialized medicine when I had to pay over $14,000 for a hernia operation because I could not afford to get medical insurance after AA fired me.


Dapoes got a time out for name calling so I would venture a guess that she has a 2nd ISP under which to harass people.
 
Lost a debate? I don't think so, you googled extreme cases from Canada and I can google numerous succeses.

Never saw Moore's film on insurance.

And you still failed to tell the board that you think waiting to see a dr is worse than the americans who have no insurance, don't qaulify for govt insurance and end up not being able to see a dr and ending up very sick or dead.

I fail to see how at least getting treatment is worse than not getting treatment at all.
 
Not sure why anyone got a time out for anything, just putting my two pennies in the mix, take it or leave it.

BTW, the German example, well they had 130 + years to get it right and yet people are slowly moving off the socialized system as well.

wiki:

The public system is working with budgets for regions and treatment types. That may make doctors, in whose region the budget has been overrun, to postpone treatments to the next budget period, therefore deteriorating patients service. Especially for young working singles the premiums for public insurance are higher than in the private system.

The treatments covered by the public system are decided by the health ministry, which has so far always resulted in decreasing coverage.

The current national government health policy is trying to make it harder to leave the public system and go into a private insurance plan.
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Note that bolded words, its a warning of things to come me thinks.
 
Freedom4all said:
Not sure why anyone got a time out for anything, just putting my two pennies in the mix, take it or leave it.

BTW, the German example, well they had 130 + years to get it right and yet people are slowly moving off the socialized system as well.

wiki:



Note that bolded words, its a warning of things to come me thinks.
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A German Wikipedia entry is what you are hanging your hat on?

Weak at best.
 
tech2101 said:
A German Wikipedia entry is what you are hanging your hat on?

Weak at best.
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Go ahead and verify the references at the bottom then. You can do it!

Heres one for the Cato Institute fans amongst us, I know of at least a few...

Yet somehow, Moore couldn't find any of the nearly 800,000 Canadians who are currently on the waiting list for treatment. Nor apparently did he have time to interview Canadian Supreme Court Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin, who wrote in a 2005 decision striking down part of Canada's universal care law that many Canadians waiting for treatment suffer chronic pain and "patients die while on the waiting list."

Similarly, in a truly funny sequence, Moore struggles to find the payment window at a British hospital. It might not have been so funny if he had talked to any of the 850,000 Britons waiting for admission to those hospitals.

Every year, shortages force Britain's National Health Service to cancel as many as 50,000 operations. Roughly 40 percent of cancer patients never get to see an oncology specialist.

Delays in receiving treatment are often so long that nearly 20 percent of colon cancer cases considered treatable when first diagnosed are incurable by the time treatment is finally offered.
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Like you always said, don't let the facts get in the way. :huh:
 
700UW said:
http://www.google.com/m/search?sa=X&oi...success+stories

And there is a link to google's web search for sucesses, its all in the spin
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Ahh excellent research work! Now lets digest the results shall we?

Google Top Ten Search Results:

People's Weekly World - A U.S. 'socialized medicine' success story
Dec 21, 2007 .. A U.S. 'socialized medicine' success story .. The news story reported that the VA system delivers quality health care far more cheaply than ..
www.pww.org/article/view/12253/

Who is pww.org? Newspaper of the Communist Party USA :lol:


A Look at the Venezuelan Healthcare System « C.O.T.O.
I was brought here from another blog that used your story to advocate socialized medicine. http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,HR...UB,45aca29d20,0. ..
cotocrew.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/a...

Who is cotocrew.wordpress.com? Apparently a blog, a conspriracy 9/11 truther blog as well. :lol:


another resounding success story for socialized medicine - JREF Forum
another resounding success story for socialized medicine Politics. .. One of the major problems with socialized medicine is that it ..
forums.randi.org/showthread.php

Who is Randi.org? About James Randi: James Randi has an international reputation as a magician and escape artist, but today he is best known as the world's most tireless investigator and demystifier of paranormal and pseudoscientific claims. :lol:


Matthew Yglesias » Socialized Medicine
62 Responses to “Socialized Medicine� .... Poland tried the same basic strategy, and Poland is actually a real success story today. ..
yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives...

Who is thinkprogress.org? Well they were voted “Best Liberal Blog� in the 2006 Weblog Awards :lol:

Socialized Medicine (bias, Obama, cost, elect) - Elections - Page ...
Socialized medicine, at least in the European sense, .. is not the issue - there are success stories and horror stories in every system, ..
www.city-data.com/forum/elections/3...

Who is City-Data? A forum much like this, people arguing, talking nonsense. :lol:


The Rag Blog: Socialized Medicine? Canadian Health Care Saved my ...
Socialized Medicine? Canadian Health Care Saved my Father's Life .... Without leaving a name to check the accuracy of this success story, this fabrication ..
theragblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/soc...

Who is theragblog.blogspot.com? Just another blog with no reliable sources of factual data, dime a dozen. :lol:


Socialized Medicine, Universal Healthcare, Health Insurance Program
The concept and practice of socialized medicine have been matters of considerable difficulty .... + More success stories + Share your success story with us ..
www.lawcrossing.com/article/4077/So...

Who is lawcrossing.com? Looks like some law. employment site, with an op ed. Great article tho! :up:
To be sure, these systems are not without their drawbacks: it can take months in certain situations to get to see a doctor or dentist, and six-month waiting lists are not uncommon. Also, medical personnel are in such high demand that they cannot meet the need of a citizenry unrestricted by the burden of payment; this can potentially lead to a downturn in the quality of healthcare,
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Take Action to Stop Socialized Medicine! | FreedomWorks
We have got to stop socialized medicine & bring back industry to U.S. Get rid of .... Success stories? This sexy little Latina doesn't consider giving a ..
www.freedomworks.org/publications/t...


Who is freedomworks.org? Best site ever!!! Love It!!! :lol:

socialized medicine « Acton Institute PowerBlog
Apr 30, 2008 .. Another Tale of Glory from the World of Socialized Medicine .. again to the fabulous success story that is the Canadian health care system: ..
blog.acton.org/../socialized-medicine

Who is Acton.org? Who knows, but the link did praise Socialized Medicine at all! Case in point:
I’d like to bring your attention once again to the fabulous success story that is the Canadian health care system:
Last year, the Canadian government issued a series of reports to address the outcry over long wait times for critical tests, procedures and surgeries. Over a two year period:
• Wait times for knee replacements dropped from 440 to 307 days.
• Wait times for hip replacements dropped from 351 to 257 days.
• Wait times for cataract surgeries dropped from 311 to 183 days.
• Wait times for MRIs dropped from 120 to 105 days.
• Wait times for CT scans dropped from 81 to 62 days.
• Wait times for bypass surgeries dropped from 49 to 48 days.

Sure, you might have to wait a couple of months for that lifesaving bypass surgery. But remember: it’s free!
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:shock:

Obama rules out socialized medicine in America - BusinessWeek
Jun 11, 2009 .. Obama said talk of socialized medicine in America is incorrect. .. Most Popular Stories. Read; E-mailed; Discussed ..
www.businessweek.com/../D98OK45G2.htm

Outstanding! The great Messiah himself speaks!

President Barack Obama says he is not interested in a system of nationalized health care but does believe a single-payer system has some appeal.
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err, sorry Barry, that is socialized medicine! :down:

So in short it looks like the top ten results in google for search term "socialized medicine success stories" never really pulled up one un-biased positive result. In fact it seemed to still show how socialized medicine is not so good.

Results to show socialized medicine in positive light: FAIL
 
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