Ok then. Give yours up.
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will be gone after socialized health care.
pick your choice, social security or health care, because they wont be able to pay for both and eventually one of those chosen will completely run out.
they cannot continue to pay out when everyone who is claiming is not contributing.
its a matter of when not if.
we are headed toward two classes, the very rich and the very poor, because once the middle class is completely gone due to covering the slack of every one else.. we will all be in the same boat floating down the river.. to the poor house.
Freedom4all
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How's that again mate?
If you took the time to read my posts before you decided to attack. Then you would see the issue I have is not that they are doing something, its there intentions are to shove a single payer system down our throats.
Talk about a party of no! They are the ones not listening to anyone else's idea.
I'm all for revamping the system ala coop type of free market group insurance, where you can shop around for the plan that suites your needs. Competition will not only keep prices down but keep the quality of care high. But a plan administered by the gov will be a disaster.
after socialized health care there wont be many private insurers around to 'shop around' ..some will be completely gone.. when everyone is covered compliments of the taxpayer and government..(most people are not going to be able to afford to pay premiums and then have new taxes taken out in order to cover the rest..but they will be able to fall back on the socialized health care like everyone else..)
....in turn half the private insurers will go under..
oh yeah.. there will still be some for those willing to pay extravagent rates for the highest service..generally the very wealthy who wont stand in those lines..because they dont have to.
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Ok then. Give yours up.
I know that you will just donate it to someone more worthy Ms. Dapoes.h34r:
What I want is big government taking a lesser role in my life and their hands digging deeper and deeper into "MY" pockets !
As far as S.S. Tech, how 'bout I don't pay S.S. taxes and instead keep that money, put it in savings or invest it, after all it is "MY" money ! Garauntee you one thing ! If I were able to do the latter, I'd damn sure have more to show for my investment than what I'll see back from Big Brothers Social Security program !
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Hmmm.........funny thing happenning in Canada now ! Private practices are opening up, to those who can afford it, and want to get the care they need "NOW"...........and not 9 months from now !
Of course when Nobama and his posse have finished off the middle class, we won't be able to afford private health care either
SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE.................the perfect world..................not !
Where in the constitution does it say, " Free Health Care For Everyone " ! :blink:
Of course when Nobama and his posse have finished off the middle class, we won't be able to afford private health care either
SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE.................the perfect world..................not !
Where in the constitution does it say, " Free Health Care For Everyone " ! :blink:
If you are going to suggest that I have some kind of problem, at least have the dignity to debate here, not in some suggestive PM.
I will not trade insults via the PM feature (you are blocked now).
I will debate the issues on their merits, in full view of the forum.
OK, so let me get this straight... I should wait for health care so that uninsured people (which is not me) can also wait for health care. That makes no sense!
There is no reason for anyone to have to wait for health care. Most of the 50 million uninsured people are people who choose not to buy health insurance. Every state offers a child health insurance program (CHIP), and every elderly person is eligible for Medicare. While a lot of people are unemployed, it's not 50 million. It's 15 million, and many of them (like myself) are paying for health insurance through COBRA.
The thought of the government raising taxes on my paycheck (once I get one) to give free health care to everyone so that everyone, including me, can wait in line for it is just revolting.
There are a few people, nowhere near 50 million, that are unable to buy health insurance because they're not poor, they're not elderly, they're not kids, they're unemployed, they don't have COBRA, and they can't afford an individual policy because of serious current or previous health problems. I think we do need a solution for that, which would be an insurance pool. It's the same idea as an auto insurance pool for people that auto insurance companies don't want to insure because they suck at driving (DWI, too many crashes, etc.) It's a simple solution that doesn't cost a ton of money and doesn't result in making everyone wait in line for health care.
Look at it this way... if health care is something that the government can provide for everyone with no decrease in quality, why not extend the same benefit to other things -- government should raise taxes so that everyone can get a free house, and a free car, and free vacations, and free food, and free cable TV, and so on. That would be known as communism and it's proven to be a massive failure!
There is no reason for anyone to have to wait for health care. Most of the 50 million uninsured people are people who choose not to buy health insurance. Every state offers a child health insurance program (CHIP), and every elderly person is eligible for Medicare. While a lot of people are unemployed, it's not 50 million. It's 15 million, and many of them (like myself) are paying for health insurance through COBRA.
The thought of the government raising taxes on my paycheck (once I get one) to give free health care to everyone so that everyone, including me, can wait in line for it is just revolting.
There are a few people, nowhere near 50 million, that are unable to buy health insurance because they're not poor, they're not elderly, they're not kids, they're unemployed, they don't have COBRA, and they can't afford an individual policy because of serious current or previous health problems. I think we do need a solution for that, which would be an insurance pool. It's the same idea as an auto insurance pool for people that auto insurance companies don't want to insure because they suck at driving (DWI, too many crashes, etc.) It's a simple solution that doesn't cost a ton of money and doesn't result in making everyone wait in line for health care.
Look at it this way... if health care is something that the government can provide for everyone with no decrease in quality, why not extend the same benefit to other things -- government should raise taxes so that everyone can get a free house, and a free car, and free vacations, and free food, and free cable TV, and so on. That would be known as communism and it's proven to be a massive failure!
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And with the above being the target of the Nobama Administration, why should I work harder than the next guy to better myself if I'm going to live in the same type of house, drive the same model car and have the same health insurance that the lazy, dead-beat next door has ?
America...................It use to be the "Land of Opportunity", now it's " The Land of What Can I Get For Free"! :down:
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Well then let's ave' it then mate! So far insults are all you been able to bring!
If you and I can keep Health insurance , fine....leave us alone.
Why aren't there clinics available for those who don't have ins?
The Fed could control those costs all day (
) and your uninsured would have their care.
Stop the illegal immigration that also taxes our hospitals too.
They should concentrate their efforts on the uninsured....but that's not the reason....
'Its time to die'.... :down:
Why aren't there clinics available for those who don't have ins?
The Fed could control those costs all day (
) and your uninsured would have their care.Stop the illegal immigration that also taxes our hospitals too.
They should concentrate their efforts on the uninsured....but that's not the reason....
'Its time to die'.... :down:
just a thought..
well personally enjoy reading opinions and thoughts regarding Health Care. It gives a different perspective allowing others to form balanced opinions...its always a good idea..remaining within the subject range.. because what appears an insinuated "screen name conspiracy" that seems to pop up all over this board has gotten really old and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
(lets try to make it a goal staying on topic)
well personally enjoy reading opinions and thoughts regarding Health Care. It gives a different perspective allowing others to form balanced opinions...its always a good idea..remaining within the subject range.. because what appears an insinuated "screen name conspiracy" that seems to pop up all over this board has gotten really old and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
(lets try to make it a goal staying on topic)
plans are probably more than likely underway for that type of 'free medical clinic' for those to have 'free health care'...its probably a part of a much bigger picture regarding socialized heath care.
oh yeah... the problem, they need someone to pay for it..
(thats where the taxpayer comes in)
that 15 million is probably the number of people who were employed at one time and then subsequently lost their job including health insurance (in combination of those who actually do work but may be considered part-time without benefits..ext.). that projected 50 million number probably takes into account those in people's families..(their children) and of course all the undocumented and those who live here illegally but still attempt to draw a benefit.
taking into consideration the debt has now been tripled and a stimulus and "bail out" for the banks and wallstreet that seemed to help "bail out" the same people who created the mess in the first place was pushed through, rather quickly and could have been..used elsewhere too... utilized to help those who actually contribute by paying taxes in areas such as health care..well it is outrageous.
they have effectively tied up so much money and created so much debt at this point, there is really no other way.. but to collect these taxes..from paychecks of those actually working.. to fund socialized health care.. for everyone including those who do not work at all or come to this country illegally. (a near trillion dollars could have gone a long way...)
at least some, as yourself, are coming up with other ideas to help allevate the situation rather than just automatically expecting the taxpayer to continuously fund everyone else's bright ideas.
you know to me, it seems the most simplest solution and one that actually makes sense is the first one tossed out the window.. (somehow making everything as difficult as possible, probably justifies someone keeping a job or having something to complain out and try to pin on the other guy when these pro's attempt to seek office or become re-elected!!..)
what about the "free" wall mounted HDTV (you know that needs to be thrown in the mix as well!)
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If you and I can keep Health insurance , fine....leave us alone.
Why aren't there clinics available for those who don't have ins?
The Fed could control those costs all day (
They should concentrate their efforts on the uninsured....but that's not the reason....
Yes. The approach that is being considered is akin to trying to use a bazooka to kill a fly. It *might* solve the problem at hand, but it will likely create other large problems and certainly cause collateral damage. Back in the 60's the government recognized a problem: no-income and low-income families had difficulty buying the food needed for their families.* The government instituted a program to help those families that were in need and qualified. They did not create a universal food program. Why design a universal food program when someone can just give the needy families food stamps? The same principle applies in this situation. While I see many issues with the WH's approach, this one is my biggest concern.
* I am not using this as an example of a program I agree with or think is successful; I use it only to show that it is not necessary to try to "fix" a relatively small problem with a one-size-fits-all program.
