Largest Airline needs Mechanics Union

[MetalMover]

 
Whose is better? Not yours. With US OSS % at 47% of the maintenance budget as of year end 2012 and US is at 10 to 1 AMT to aircraft. If AA drops to 8000 per the POR  and new CBA AA will be at 13 to 1. 

You are living in fantasy land like Peter Pan by holding on the so called OSS numbers that the TWU masterfully negotiated.
Unlike Peter, you will grow up eventually and face reality.

 

[700UW]

 
Whose is better? Not yours. With US OSS % at 47% of the maintenance budget as of year end 2012 and US is at 10 to 1 AMT to aircraft. If AA drops to 8000 per the POR  and new CBA AA will be at 13 to 1. 

US's only can send out 50% of  billable hours of heavy, the spend you cite is the component mtc, which isnt done in-house anymore.
 
Guess you dont know US is bringing back the widebody HMV, there is a 767 in Bay 3 in CLT heavy right now.
 
AA can vendor out 35% of your whole maintenance budget, that is more than US does.
 
And at US you cant farm out line, line checks nor RON mtc, can you say the same about AA?
 
And US' fleet is younger than AA's.

 

[Overspeed]

US's only can send out 50% of  billable hours of heavy, the spend you cite is the component mtc, which isnt done in-house anymore.
 
Guess you dont know US is bringing back the widebody HMV, there is a 767 in Bay 3 in CLT heavy right now.
 
AA can vendor out 35% of your whole maintenance budget, that is more than US does.
 
And at US you cant farm out line, line checks nor RON mtc, can you say the same about AA?
 
And US' fleet is younger than AA's.

 
You do not know what you are talking about. The 47% I cited is the percentage of all maintenance dollars US spends on maintenance as reported by all carriers to the DOT. That means that US spends 47% of its maintenance budget on outsourced work. 
 
So AA is planning to outsource 35% which per their documents released they will drop to around 8,000 Title I. That comes out to 13 to 1 which is better than the IAM "superior" language you cite. The percentage of maintenance spend is very relevant when discussing the jobs which is why the TWU chose it. 
 
As I said, when the JCBA is negotiated the existing language will probably changed. Time to look forward while learning from the past. As MetalMover also stated, the future will look much different than what it does today. 

 

[comatose]

 
You do not know what you are talking about. The 47% I cited is the percentage of all maintenance dollars US spends on maintenance as reported by all carriers to the DOT. That means that US spends 47% of its maintenance budget on outsourced work. 
 
So AA is planning to outsource 35% which per their documents released they will drop to around 8,000 Title I. That comes out to 13 to 1 which is better than the IAM "superior" language you cite. The percentage of maintenance spend is very relevant when discussing the jobs which is why the TWU chose it. 
 
As I said, when the JCBA is negotiated the existing language will probably changed. Time to look forward while learning from the past. As MetalMover also stated, the future will look much different than what it does today. 

 
 
Just what exactly has the TWU learned from the past?
 
And more than that, what has the membership learned about the TWU from the past?

 

[Thomas Paine]

AA can outsource 35% of the total maintenance budget, thats just crazy.

At US they can outsource up to 50% of billable heavy maintenance hours.
 
No line checks, no RON maintenance, nothing.
 
Who's language is better?

USAirs language is better, but thats not saying much, by far AA has the very worst deal in the industry.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Whose is better? Not yours. With US OSS % at 47% of the maintenance budget as of year end 2012 and US is at 10 to 1 AMT to aircraft. If AA drops to 8000 per the POR  and new CBA AA will be at 13 to 1.

8000 what? A&Ps? No, more like 4500 A&Ps, 1000 non licensed AMTs,1000 OSMs and cleaners and 1500 Fac and Auto mechs. How many OSMs do they have at USAIR?

 

[Thomas Paine]

Show me the language in the AMFA contract that says DAL will stay.  

?? You are the one making the claim that we gave all these concessions to save Tulsa, so show us the language, the fact is you cant, because we don't have it, so why did we give all those concessions? Because its what AA wanted and you are here to make sure AA gets whatever they want aren't you? Otherwise why do you ask for language at SWA that nobody ever claimed existed? Getting desperate?

"That is correct, SWA never laid off a dues paying member. I believe that AMFA should have maintained the status quo on their HC ratios and received higher pay rates. "

My my what double standards you have. SWA was able to secure pay raises with ZERO layoffs at a time where we gave up in excess of 25% of our compensation along with thousands of layoffs and thousands more jobs reduced on top of the layoffs and you can actually say that they did not do well compared to us because they didn't get raises or maintain some ratio that no mechanic ever ever looks at? Show me a contract at any carrier that cites an minimum mechanic to aircraft ratio. The fact is that AA had a high one because it includes OSMs, unlicensed AMTs such as painters and its fleet was aging, with one of the oldest fleets that drove up the ratio, not great language.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I agree with you wholeheartedly, time to move on. What can we all do to improve our situation? How about stop talking like overhaul is expendable? 
 
All the rocket scientists think they have a better plan for the scope clause, wages, benefits, and work rules. I hope they are all sitting down now and planning for the next negotiations instead of pointing out how they feel the past regime did a bad job. We need leadership that has a direction and a plan.

You are the one that said that good wages and benefits were expendable, don't recall people saying OH is. You seem to think that even with a Union the company should be able to dictate the choices.

 

[Thomas Paine]

You do not know what you are talking about. The 47% I cited is the percentage of all mainte
So AA is planning to outsource 35% which per their documents released they will drop to around 8,000 Title I.

As of today we are at 7820 Title I, already below 8000 Title I and that figure includes a few thousand non-A&Ps.

 

[Thomas Paine]

AA can outsource 35% of the total maintenance budget, thats just crazy.

At US they can outsource up to 50% of billable heavy maintenance hours.
 
No line checks, no RON maintenance, nothing.
 
Who's language is better?

Our "contract" allows AA to send any maintenance they want anywhere in the world, they can lay off guys on the line and ship the B checks to South America if the wanted. In many ways our contract is like Deltas, except we don't get the pay, get less Vacation, fewer Holidays. We are about as close to Non-union as you can get while still paying dues thanks to people like Overspeed and his little ratios. Does he really think that if two mechanics met on the street and one says "I make $45/hr, have six weeks vacation, ten holidays at 2.5X, 12 sick days, retiree medical and a 9% 401k match and the other one says "Oh yea, well we get $33/hr, no Holidays and 2.5X, five sick, no retiree medical and a 5% 401K match but we have 13 mechanics for every airplane that AA has", that either of them is really going to think they would rather have the 13:1 ratio instead of decent pay and benefits?

 

[700UW]

8000 what? A&Ps? No, more like 4500 A&Ps, 1000 non licensed AMTs,1000 OSMs and cleaners and 1500 Fac and Auto mechs. How many OSMs do they have at USAIR?

That would be a big ZERO!

 

[Rogallo]

C'mon Overspeed, give us some more of your great comedic entertainment!

 

[Thomas Paine]

That would be a big ZERO!

Overspeed fails to factor out Non-A&Ps from his silly ratios. My guess is SWA has close to 100% A&P AMTs and nearly every other carrier out there has a higher ratio of A&P to AMT than AA has. I would also surmise that if we were to look more closely at the average salary, even when weighted the AA number comes out much much lower than we already know of. If US has 99% of their AMTs earning $33/hr but AA only has 75% making $34 with 25% making $25 then AA's Average salary is just $30/hr compared to US's $33, and weighted AA still comes out lower to around $32/hr. We often hear OS spout about the 2010 deal and how we would have been the highest paid, but thats also a lie, because even if a select few did get the higher night shift premium when you averaged out the pay between the shifts and the bases and the OSMs our average rate would be several dollars and hour less than our peers who all remained roughly within 60 cents an hour with one another, our spread, just looking at top of pay scales, would have been closer to $10/hr.

 

[swamt]

YES!  Thomas, Overspeeds ratio is more important to him than job security.   Pathetic indeed, but speaks volumes of his intent and values, and he is a TWU activist and officer, as previously acknowledged.  Keep posting OS, pls keep posting, the colors are getting brighter and brighter,  LOL...

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Is This Going to be Enough for You to sign cards to rid AA​

of the TWU​

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By now most of you should have received the letter from your Local that again the TWU is going to use OUR money and delay the distribution of shares. They plan on using our money/stock to cover any liability they might have. This to cover the law suit that is being brought against them by the employees who left the company for what ever reason, and believe they have a right to that money.
 
This along with the Pre-funding money is ours, as dues paying members shouldn't the TWU be looking out for our best interest? Shouldn't they have given us the formula in which our distribution was based? What about a time frame of when they will try to get an answer from the BK judge about our pre-funding.
 
In many break rooms around the system, each and every one of you have heard or been part of a discussion about these things. I would even bet that that the merger and our contract as well. Again the TWU has failed us, this is just a never ending story.
 
All of you can see that even the NEW TWU is just the same as the old TWU.
 
It is TIME to make a change that will make a difference, for you and all the future mechanics who will follow.  
 
Why should our families suffer waiting for money that is ours, why should big business get to use our money getting richer as we wait? Why is our life being put on hold? Money we could use to invest or provide what ever for our families.
 
We have given up so much with all the concessions and were put in a position that information of how bad this contract was not provided. (yes I know we all should read before we sign) but the TWU knows most don't. Now we have this virtual info line thru the locals which again most don't read. Ask your self how much of the TWU's mail do you actually read? Do you just throw it in the waste basket? Why is that?  TRUST am I correct, you have no faith that things will change so why bother.
 
We recently got a few raises as we all think but aren't those small increments of money just bits of the concessions we gave up in 2003? We will still be behind at the end of this contract (2017).  HOW MANY MORE Chances are you going to give the TWU?
 

SIGN AN AMFA CARD NOW AND LETS KICK THEM TO THE CURB.​

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