JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[robbedagain]

sadly cltrat that's probably the way it is

 

[737823]

Messed up last post. But 737823 can you plz explain if you mean the IAM members would have been better off going to the twu contract?

I didn't suggest they'd be better off under the AA CBA (although one axiom I maintain is any opportunity to get the IAM out of ones life and career is a positive step).

I'm saying as the smaller more strategically limited carrier going into the transaction the LUS membership has gotten significant real pay increases well above and beyond what would be viable for LCC as a standalone carrier and you've maintained placeholder scope in the process.

Anyone that thinks the one daily LAA or LUS metal mainliane departure scope will be part of the JCBA or is some testament to the skill of the LUS bargaining committee who presided over such language in summer 2014 is kidding themselves. The company did that to keep the status quo as they work things out and where they want and can justify staffing people. I bring this up because 700 often cited this as a reason DL ACS should organize and as a testament to the IAMs skill and clout.

Smaller LUS SHOULD have gotten integrated under the TWU agreement and the IAM should have gone away absent sufficient showing of interest and a subsequent representational election. Why the TWU didn't laugh off this move of desperation by the IAM (and realize more dues in the process) is beyond me.

Josh

 

[Albert]

I didn't suggest they'd be better off under the AA CBA (although one axiom I maintain is any opportunity to get the IAM out of ones life and career is a positive step).

I'm saying as the smaller more strategically limited carrier going into the transaction the LUS membership has gotten significant real pay increases well above and beyond what would be viable for LCC as a standalone carrier and you've maintained placeholder scope in the process.

Anyone that thinks the one daily LAA or LUS metal mainliane departure scope will be part of the JCBA or is some testament to the skill of the LUS bargaining committee who presided over such language in summer 2014 is kidding themselves. The company did that to keep the status quo as they work things out and where they want and can justify staffing people. I bring this up because 700 often cited this as a reason DL ACS should organize and as a testament to the IAMs skill and clout.

Smaller LUS SHOULD have gotten integrated under the TWU agreement and the IAM should have gone away absent sufficient showing of interest and a subsequent representational election. Why the TWU didn't laugh off this move of desperation by the IAM (and realize more dues in the process) is beyond me.

Josh

At the merger announcement LUS pay was 20.56 what was LAA? Crew chiefs made 50 cents more than leads So LAA had better pay even though it went to medical. I think everything else in the LUS contract was better than so I don't really no where your going. You do have a future with MSM though

 

[NYer]

At the merger announcement LUS pay was 20.56 what was LAA? Crew chiefs made 50 cents more than leads So LAA had better pay even though it went to medical. I think everything else in the LUS contract was better than so I don't really no where your going. You do have a future with MSM though

Don't believe most on the LAA side are aware or even remember that the IAM was in the middle of a long negotiations when the Merger became an issue and further stalled their progress.

LUS management paid more attention to the LAA unions as they tried to get them to buy into their plan to take over the airline. While the IAM was trying to get a deal their management team was entering an MOU with the LAA unions.

After the Merger, the Company and IAM reached a point where a JCBA became the manner in which the IAM would be able to address their contractual concerns.

Their "interim" agreement included a raise and Scope language meant to protect the IAM Members from being negatively impacted due to the merger. It also eliminated the Ready Reserve language which benefits all of us.

In essence, the IAM negotiators have been getting to get a better deal for several years. It was first stalled by the LUS economics, then the Merger and now they have a group hoping they'd hurry up already.

How's that?

 

[737823]

Don't believe most on the LAA side are aware or even remember that the IAM was in the middle of a long negotiations when the Merger became an issue and further stalled their progress.

LUS management paid more attention to the LAA unions as they tried to get them to buy into their plan to take over the airline. While the IAM was trying to get a deal their management team was entering an MOU with the LAA unions.

After the Merger, the Company and IAM reached a point where a JCBA became the manner in which the IAM would be able to address their contractual concerns.

Their "interim" agreement included a raise and Scope language meant to protect the IAM Members from being negatively impacted due to the merger. It also eliminated the Ready Reserve language which benefits all of us.

In essence, the IAM negotiators have been getting to get a better deal for several years. It was first stalled by the LUS economics, then the Merger and now they have a group hoping they'd hurry up already.

How's that?

And in LAA markets what real value has LUS added? LUS should have been left to run with their low revenue, low cost model and grown organically leaving AA and the standalone plan. Bob Owens long said look at how poorly USAIR treated their own employees is it any surprise they show such disregard for you guys on a daily basis at the combined carrier?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

On the LAA side, there is a difference between flights being cancelled and the actual airport being closed. If the flights are cancelled, everyone is still expected to report to work. If the airport is closed, then you are not to report to work and will likely be paid the hours of the closure for the time they fall within your shift.

 

[NYer]

And in LAA markets what real value has LUS added? LUS should have been left to run with their low revenue, low cost model and grown organically leaving AA and the standalone plan. Bob Owens long said look at how poorly USAIR treated their own employees is it any surprise they show such disregard for you guys on a daily basis at the combined carrier?

Josh

Don't agree Josh. Most of the positives es we achieve would only be possible by merger of the two airlines.

There is no airline that prioritizes their employees. What we face is the norm within the industry.

 

[NYer]

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Is there a point?

 

[WeAAsles]

Is there a point?

I asked for further information regarding clarity what the practice was for US Management since I don't believe we had the opportunity to test any road or Airport closure yet since the merger and this was the response I received along with that PDF.


"Dave,

As you can see, they have adopted the "No work, no pay" philosophy across the board even with a government travel restriction.

There may be state labor pay requirements otherwise they are compliant with the FLSA of the DOL.

There no longer is any scenario where you will be paid for any storm...

I wish you luck!"

 

[NYer]

I asked for further information regarding clarity what the practice was for US Management since I don't believe we had the opportunity to test any road or Airport closure yet since the merger and this was the response I received along with that PDF.


"Dave,

As you can see, they have adopted the "No work, no pay" philosophy across the board even with a government travel restriction.

There may be state labor pay requirements otherwise they are compliant with the FLSA of the DOL.

There no longer is any scenario where you will be paid for any storm...

I wish you luck!"

That's not an accurate assessment. During Matthew payment was in play if there was an official government closure, which never came.

They could certainly change their position from storm to storm but it's been pretty consistent throughout the years.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's not an accurate assessment. During Matthew payment was in play if there was an official government closure, which never came.

They could certainly change their position from storm to storm but it's been pretty consistent throughout the years.

#1 Does MIA Airport ever actually close anyway? I thought MIA was an essential to community Airport and they never "officially" close it?

#2 Throughout the years doesn't take into account all the new Management that exists today who seem to have a different philosophy on things like this. Also new Local Management I should add.

Of course none of us prefer to see what the policy might be if put to the test as it can put lives in danger for the need/lure of not loosing pay. If it is though I hope past practice does continue to apply.

 

[NYer]

#1 Does MIA Airport ever actually close anyway? I thought MIA was an essential to community Airport and they never "officially" close it?

#2 Throughout the years doesn't take into account all the new Management that exists today who seem to have a different philosophy on things like this. Also new Local Management I should add.

Of course none of us prefer to see what the policy might be if put to the test as it can put lives in danger for the need/lure of not loosing pay. If it is though I hope past practice does continue to apply.

OK. Your choice. You can go with information from outside MIA rather than information from MIA.

Not going to argue with you. I'm wrong and you're right.

 

[dfw gen]

you post like you still believe they give a **** about you and yours.let me help you out a little. they dont. you me and all of us are just bricks in the backpack. you know what a brick in the back pack does? it takes up space that they could be stuffing stocks and bonuses in to. get it thru your head "they simply do not care".they will not give you anything unless they have to. if they cared they would have done what they said they would in a timely manner. instead they throw useless town hall meetings to tell you what they want you to hear, then laugh all the way to the bank. my advice to you? evacuate make sure you and yours are safe and get back to work when you can. at your convenience and safety. i would not/will not go out of my way and/or sacrifice anymore for this company. i have missed to many birthdays,anniversary,holidays and family milestones my loyalty was there, theirs IS NOT. they dont deserve the loyalty and sacrifices over the last 28 years.

 

[WeAAsles]

OK. Your choice. You can go with information from outside MIA rather than information from MIA.

Not going to argue with you. I'm wrong and you're right.

I did not say that you were wrong. In this case quite honestly I have more faith from the information coming inside MIA than out.

Again though I hope it doesn't even come up this weekend.

 

[conehead777]

Just rember the cop in Houston who died in flood water on the way to work. If your safer at home stay at home