JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Albert]

60 cans of Green Giant sweet peas.

Sounds delicious only thing your urine is going to be dark green

 

[conehead777]

You should be holding that police officer up as a hero, not an example.

http://ktla.com/2017/08/29/houston-police-officer-drowns-in-hurricane-harvey-floodwaters/
Sgt. Steve Perez, 60, had worked 34 years with the department, Acevedo said at a news conference.

At 60 years old with 34 years he could have just called it in and retired long ago.

We should all have so much dedication to our community.

I didn't say he wasn't a hero what I'm saying is a police officer trained he wound up drowning why take that chance. if they do not pay grieve it but do not take risk

 

[Koolcat]

To all who work in AAL HUBS that make up about 80 % of the F/S Membership and will decide the vote to ratify JCBA or not . If the current protected Stations are not protected under SCOPE , guess who is coming to your HUB and will take your shift, days-off, duty-assignment, vacation block , job etc, etc . ? The division , diversion , and deceit is AAL Management 101 . We have seen this playbook and game plan before . Fish On !

Same threat last time and it didn't materialize!

 

[WeAAsles]

Same threat last time and it didn't materialize!

Small Station peeps are just advocating as best they know how to stay in the City they know and love.

I personally think there's a better way of doing it besides using threats of Seniority loss though IMO.

 

[ograc]

Small Station peeps are just advocating as best they know how to stay in the City they know and love.

I personally think there's a better way of doing it besides using threats of Seniority loss though IMO.

Not protecting existing work goes against the principles and nature of organized labor. The long term affect is the loss of leverage in future contract negotiations. Regardless if the battle exists in the outline, larger or hub stations. Organized labor needs to stop this loss of protected work to outsourcing across the board. Glad to see it has become a major issue with MTC. and Related. Long term thinking is critically needed with this issue with every member. Threats of bumping and seniority loss is counter productive. The focus should be the long term benefit of protecting existing work. Without this protection; many will question the long term benefits of being a member of any labor organization. As the snowball rolls downhill it gains size and mass. With organized labor having to fight "tooth and nail" to organize new membership; you would think they would be especially vigilant of protecting existing work. We shall see.

 

[Jester]

Small Station peeps are just advocating as best they know how to stay in the City they know and love.

I personally think there's a better way of doing it besides using threats of Seniority loss though IMO.

I hate to be so cynical, but my experience on CBA votes were that most fleet service agents weren't concern regarding an issue unless it directly affects them, especially if it means the sacrifice of an immediate pay raise.

Higher, noble ideals of altruism and greater good will be debased into "What's In It For Me?" If you have a compelling argument for as to Membership support of smaller stations versus to threat of seniority loss in hubs, I would be both delighted and captivated.

 

[WeAAsles]

I hate to be so cynical, but my experience on CBA votes were that most fleet service agents weren't concern regarding an issue unless it directly affects them, especially if it means the sacrifice of an immediate pay raise.

Higher, noble ideals of altruism and greater good will be debased into "What's In It For Me?" If you have a compelling argument for as to Membership support of smaller stations versus to threat of seniority loss in hubs, I would be both delighted and captivated.

No compelling arguments against anyone's greed no matter where they work. But an observation. On the TWU side I believe the Negotiators currently having seen so much loss over the years of cities closed just don't have the stomach for any more. Irrelevant which Union represents the city either BTW.

 

[AANOTOK]

Interesting. US IAM Contract.

View attachment 12035

Wrigley field, MIA and DFW are not company premises imo. Headquarters is a different story.
Having said that, if the IAM leadership was using that as their out, you would hear them state that loud and clear.
Haven't heard a peep from the "leadership" at all.

 

[ograc]

No compelling arguments against anyone's greed no matter where they work. But an observation. On the TWU side I believe the Negotiators currently having seen so much loss over the years of cities closed just don't have the stomach for any more. Irrelevant which Union represents the city either BTW.

I hope this is the case. If not, as Jester pointed out, the membership just doesn't get it and we continue the downward spiral. This "in it for me" attitude will be the demise of everyone. IMO... we should not be conceding existing protected work at all. Regardless of where the company wants to outsource our work. If we cant protect existing work now, under the current economic conditions of the industry, I doubt organized labor will ever be able to accomplish this in the industry. If they cannot accomplish a fundamental principal of representation, such as job protection, then the next question will be "why do I need a union?" On this downward spiral we are certain to get there.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I didn't say he wasn't a hero what I'm saying is a police officer trained he wound up drowning why take that chance. if they do not pay grieve it but do not take risk

Taking a risk must be a personal choice.

I would not tell someone not to show up for work if they felt loyalty, professional pride, dedication, or simply showing up for work if possible is part of their base values.

I would also not chastise someone for choosing not to show. Not unless they had a history of excuses for not showing up to work.

I understand what you are saying I just don't know that I agree with it.

 

[WeAAsles]

I hope this is the case. If not, as Jester pointed out, the membership just doesn't get it and we continue the downward spiral. This "in it for me" attitude will be the demise of everyone. IMO... we should not be conceding existing protected work at all. Regardless of where the company wants to outsource our work. If we cant protect existing work now, under the current economic conditions of the industry, I doubt organized labor will ever be able to accomplish this in the industry. If they cannot accomplish a fundamental principal of representation, such as job protection, then the next question will be "why do I need a union?" On this downward spiral we are certain to get there.

ograc what station do you work in and how many Brothers and Sisters are at your side?

You want your Station to find safe harbor. Nothing wrong with just saying that.

 

[Talos]

I hate to be so cynical, but my experience on CBA votes were that most fleet service agents weren't concern regarding an issue unless it directly affects them, especially if it means the sacrifice of an immediate pay raise.

Higher, noble ideals of altruism and greater good will be debased into "What's In It For Me?" If you have a compelling argument for as to Membership support of smaller stations versus to threat of seniority loss in hubs, I would be both delighted and captivated.

I think the past 14 years has put a different view on giving jobs and stations up. People that have been around to see all the give backs are sick of it. I understand your point about people being concerned for themselves, but while the company is now a cash register with wings the thought of losing more stations at LAA is frankly disgusting. We've lost quite a few already. I think many at LAA feel the same.I've had very mixed feelings about the Association, but I'd be pretty surprised if they put a contract with job losses to the membership. I know LUS has that different scope for station staffing. Maybe they can grandfather that deal for those people. I've seen too many guys get screwed, Have to draw the line somewhere.

 

[ograc]

ograc what station do you work in and how many Brothers and Sisters are at your side?

You want your Station to find safe harbor. Nothing wrong with just saying that.

50 or so members at my side. Nothing wrong with you just saying, coming from a hub station, you couldn't care less about outsourcing our work in outline stations. Is wanting safe harbor and job protection asking too much of our Association? Personally, I'm out in less than a year, so it won't affect me either way. Just trying to remind everyone, the continual concession of agreeing to let the company outsource protected work, will come to bite everyone sooner or later. Not a personal agenda as you imply WeAAsles. A wake up call to long term thinking.

 

[WeAAsles]

50 or so members at my side.

"""""""Nothing wrong with you just saying, coming from a hub station, you couldn't care less about outsourcing our work in outline stations""""""""""

Is wanting safe harbor and job protection asking too much of our Association? Personally, I'm out in less than a year, so it won't affect me either way. Just trying to remind everyone, the continual concession of agreeing to let the company outsource protected work, will come to bite everyone sooner or later. Not a personal agenda as you imply WeAAsles. A wake up call to long term thinking.

Nothing I'm going to say or even think Brother. You absolutely got the wrong guy if you think I would.

And I think you and your 50 members are going to be just fine.

 

[WeAAsles]