JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

The whole thing is to who?

Al I'm just going to be a simple participant. My role in this is playing follow the Leaders.

 

[avi]

I'm sorry Weez you have been getting piled on the last couple of days.But seriously will MIA let you picket in a conspicuous spot

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Al I'm just going to be a simple participant. My role in this is playing follow the Leaders.

the persons back in front of um

 

[Albert]

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the persons back in front of um

I don't care what he says the WEEZ will NEVER be a follower

 

[B737 driver]

swamt I have always disagreed that we didn't get a vote on whether or not the TWU and IAM should form an Association. So I don't know what more you want out of me?

But this REALLY is not your house here. It's NOT.

I DO SERIOUSLY wish you and the AMFA all the best at SWA. But you just can never return that courtesy because you don't like OUR Unions.

That's true, and we are still waiting for a T/A there is no true unionism anymore it is an illusion, I don't hate our union, I just feel there needs to be honesty with what we can really get in negotiations, and not sit there forever telling the membership , trust us we know what is best for you, we don't trust you to read it, and vote for yourselves, up or down! When you do that; you are protecting your pets because you are afraid the rules will change that will effect your lifestyle you are used to! If a T/ A is a real piece of crap it wouldn't get voted in! Some people at SWA thinks the sun rises and sets in AMFA, to me they aren't much different from any other union that is running their business to try to get more members, more members, more money. They are for profit just like SWA, or American, or the TWU/ IAM is!

 

[bob@las-AA]

I don't know where exactly we'll be picketing yet? But we will be VERY noticeable.

In front of the old EA offices on leJeune?

 

[charlie Brown]

That's true, and we are still waiting for a T/A there is no true unionism anymore it is an illusion, I don't hate our union, I just feel there needs to be honesty with what we can really get in negotiations, and not sit there forever telling the membership , trust us we know what is best for you, we don't trust you to read it, and vote for yourselves, up or down! When you do that; you are protecting your pets because you are afraid the rules will change that will effect your lifestyle you are used to! If a T/ A is a real piece of crap it wouldn't get voted in! Some people at SWA thinks the sun rises and sets in AMFA, to me they aren't much different from any other union that is running their business to try to get more members, more members, more money. They are for profit just like SWA, or American, or the TWU/ IAM is!

Just wondering if you group all union reps in the same category even though you don't know us. I have never said " trust me I know what is best for you" I negotiate on what the members tell me is best for them. And If I choose not to bring something out for a vote, it's because the members in the many break rooms I go in, tell me not to bring that pos out. While I agree with you that unionism isn't what it used to be, and unions are far from perfect. I don't agree with the reasons you state. Do you know the negotiating members on the IAM side?

 

[gulfcoast1]

Just wondering if you group all union reps in the same category even though you don't know us. I have never said " trust me I know what is best for you" I negotiate on what the members tell me is best for them. And If I choose not to bring something out for a vote, it's because the members in the many break rooms I go in, tell me not to bring that pos out. While I agree with you that unionism isn't what it used to be, and unions are far from perfect. I don't agree with the reasons you state. Do you know the negotiating members on the IAM side?

I think it was at the ORD Town Hall where Isom said there is no problem offering industry leading Vacations and Holidays. Does the NC bring his statements up when you all meet?

I ask because if those issues are settled and we get down to what I think are the major issues or retirement and medical insurance, I will feel like we are nearing the end. Right now I feel like we are stuck in the middle. I realize that Parker and Isom say a lot of things that can be ambiguous, but he was quote clear that Holidays and Vacation are easy.

Surely someone there has Isom's number and can call and say his negotiators are not offering industry leading articles on those issues. If the company negotiators say it will cost in other areas then remind them of what Isom said, or better yet, call Isom and have him remind them.

It is past time to be down to just the big final articles. If all we have to work on is Retirement, Insurance, and pay, maybe it won't take all that long if proposals can be passed back and forth without having to worry about the stuff that the second in command says is easy?

 

[WeAAsles]

I think it was at the ORD Town Hall where Isom said there is no problem offering industry leading Vacations and Holidays. Does the NC bring his statements up when you all meet?

I ask because if those issues are settled and we get down to what I think are the major issues or retirement and medical insurance, I will feel like we are nearing the end. Right now I feel like we are stuck in the middle. I realize that Parker and Isom say a lot of things that can be ambiguous, but he was quote clear that Holidays and Vacation are easy.

Surely someone there has Isom's number and can call and say his negotiators are not offering industry leading articles on those issues. If the company negotiators say it will cost in other areas then remind them of what Isom said, or better yet, call Isom and have him remind them.

It is past time to be down to just the big final articles. If all we have to work on is Retirement, Insurance, and pay, maybe it won't take all that long if proposals can be passed back and forth without having to worry about the stuff that the second in command says is easy?

You didn't mention SCOPE (Jobs) or Station Staffing?

 

[B737 driver]

Just wondering if you group all union reps in the same category even though you don't know us. I have never said " trust me I know what is best for you" I negotiate on what the members tell me is best for them. And If I choose not to bring something out for a vote, it's because the members in the many break rooms I go in, tell me not to bring that pos out. While I agree with you that unionism isn't what it used to be, and unions are far from perfect. I don't agree with the reasons you state. Do you know the negotiating members on the IAM side?

No because I was a steward, I was referring to my side of the house, not American's you guys have your issues, we are arguing about language there is language that is important to me and a lot of other people, some we can live without and still be satisfied! No disrespect to your guys issues I don't work there !

 

[AANOTOK]

No because I was a steward, I was referring to my side of the house, not American's you guys have your issues, we are arguing about language there is language that is important to me and a lot of other people, some we can live without and still be satisfied! No disrespect to your guys issues I don't work there !

Ah yes, the by byproduct of the ASSOCIATION. Simply put, using a word CB used earlier two "sides".

 

[charlie Brown]

I think it was at the ORD Town Hall where Isom said there is no problem offering industry leading Vacations and Holidays. Does the NC bring his statements up when you all meet?

I ask because if those issues are settled and we get down to what I think are the major issues or retirement and medical insurance, I will feel like we are nearing the end. Right now I feel like we are stuck in the middle. I realize that Parker and Isom say a lot of things that can be ambiguous, but he was quote clear that Holidays and Vacation are easy.

Surely someone there has Isom's number and can call and say his negotiators are not offering industry leading articles on those issues. If the company negotiators say it will cost in other areas then remind them of what Isom said, or better yet, call Isom and have him remind them.

It is past time to be down to just the big final articles. If all we have to work on is Retirement, Insurance, and pay, maybe it won't take all that long if proposals can be passed back and forth without having to worry about the stuff that the second in command says is easy?

Yes, we bring these issues up. And I will tell you although Isom states it's easy on vacations and holidays, they haven't offered industry leading on either one yet. So take that for what it's worth. Believe him if you want. But there is a reason why there is t anything to vote on yet. Actually there are many reasons.

 

[charlie Brown]

No because I was a steward, I was referring to my side of the house, not American's you guys have your issues, we are arguing about language there is language that is important to me and a lot of other people, some we can live without and still be satisfied! No disrespect to your guys issues I don't work there !

My apologies,
I thought you were one of us.

 

[charlie Brown]

Ah yes, the by byproduct of the ASSOCIATION. Simply put, using a word CB used earlier two "sides".

I understand peoples frustrations with the association. Especially if your a LAA since you guys had the numbers. But on the LUS side, people that are against the association don't consider the other option. It wasn't to stay IAM. And with all do respect to the twu, and I say that because of very good language in your contract: Past practice hasn't been too kind with other groups or unions coming into the twu as far as seniority goes. So the LUS folks even though they THINK they don't like the association. Hasn't considered the other option imo.

 

[Albert]

Yes, we bring these issues up. And I will tell you although Isom states it's easy on vacations and holidays, they haven't offered industry leading on either one yet. So take that for what it's worth. Believe him if you want. But there is a reason why there is t anything to vote on yet. Actually there are many reasons.

Did Isom actually say "industry leading" vacations and holidays? I'm not to sure and wouldn't want to put words in anyone's mouth

 

[B737 driver]

No

My apologies,
I thought you were one of us.

No I am a mechanic for SWA for over 23 years, I just like to argue with Swamt that likes to come over here and crap in your back yard ! You guys have your issues hope you work it out !