JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Weez will you be picketing near a terminal or behind the Skychef's kitchen dumpster with the yellow jackets and fire ants and occasional rodent

You know Al. It's one thing to have suspected Management Trolls coming on here and bashing the protests. That actually pleases me a lot.

But when it's someone you know for a fact is a coworker, it's pretty disappointing to say the least.

 

[swamt]

It was "PROMISED and GUARANTEED" ?????

Ok seriously pull back up ALL the documents you can find online about this Association and show me where they used those two words you wrote? I think you're living in a fantasy world that you need to break out of. So again FIND those two words "PROMISED and GUARANTEED"

If I remember correctly and I'm not even going to look it up again (Burden of proof on you swamt) the wording went something like this.

The Association would push for TWU members to be included in the IAMPF and if not, the TWU would support the continuation of the IAMPF for current IAM members.

The wording I remember was
"PUSH FOR and SUPPORT" not
"PROMISED and GUARANTEED"

Prove me wrong now swamt?

Before the asso. became the asso. it was promised by the IAM side to bring in the TWU members after this asso. is done. It's not in writing (that I know of and nor did I EVER say it was) it was all over the pages back when the asso. was being forced down your throats. I will not take the time to go find the quotes, you can knock yourself out all you want to. There are others out here that read the same as I. And I do believe someone did post one document that said something to the effect of assuring the TWU guys that they were gonna get them back into the a pension plan on the IAM side just not sure who provided it or who it was that said it, too long ago, but I do know it was said.

 

[swamt]

Read the association docs , it will be available for TWU to join

Someone that claims he is well connected is saying different, I am going by what he said.

 

[Albert]

You know Al. It's one thing to have suspected Management Trolls coming on here and bashing the protests. That actually pleases me a lot.

But when it's someone you know for a fact is a coworker, it's pretty disappointing to say the least.

I'm sorry Weez you have been getting piled on the last couple of days.But seriously will MIA let you picket in a conspicuous spot

 

[swamt]

"Made available" is a Salesmans pitch. It's a psychological lure to make you feel like you're getting something that very few others have and that you're special.

But again I don't recall anyone at any time using the word "PROMISE"?

Promise is a strong word that usually comes with a lot of disappointment.

And now you say this? "I don't recall anyone at any time using the word promise?" With a question mark? Really? So your not even sure and you go off on me indicating I was wrong? C'mon man.

 

[swamt]

Promise isn't a word that necessarily needs to be said to be implied, just ask Parker about his industry leading contract. And yet, can be reneged upon. Again, see Parker.

Exactly sir.

 

[Albert]

Before the asso. became the asso. it was promised by the IAM side to bring in the TWU members after this asso. is done. It's not in writing (that I know of and nor did I EVER say it was) it was all over the pages back when the asso. was being forced down your throats. I will not take the time to go find the quotes, you can knock yourself out all you want to. There are others out here that read the same as I. And I do believe someone did post one document that said something to the effect of assuring the TWU guys that they were gonna get them back into the a pension plan on the IAM side just not sure who provided it or who it was that said it, too long ago, but I do know it was said.

I'm the IAM side and I don't ever recall reading or hearing that. It has always been a debate from day one

 

[swamt]

Promise is a strong word that usually comes with a lot of disappointment.

Especially true with this pathetic asso. in place that was forced onto the membership. This is one quote you have made that is so true. I knew you would come around some time.

 

[Albert]

Especially true with this pathetic asso. in place that was forced onto the membership. This is one quote you have made that is so true. I knew you would come around some time.

At least AMFA didn't promise you a quick contract 5 years ago. Boy do you have a set of balls, Take care of your own house and hire some AMTS, what you have like an 1/8 of what AA has. What a piece of work

 

[WeAAsles]

And now you say this? "I don't recall anyone at any time using the word promise?" With a question mark? Really? So your not even sure and you go off on me indicating I was wrong? C'mon man.

I put the question mark for you because maybe you would have came back with something that said promise and I would have had serious egg on my face.

Obviously I am 100% sure no one "official" used the word promise. If they did swamp I'd be the first one all over them for trying to sell me/us a bunch of BS.

 

[WeAAsles]

Before the asso. became the asso. it was promised by the IAM side to bring in the TWU members after this asso. is done. It's not in writing (that I know of and nor did I EVER say it was) it was all over the pages back when the asso. was being forced down your throats. I will not take the time to go find the quotes, you can knock yourself out all you want to. There are others out here that read the same as I. And I do believe someone did post one document that said something to the effect of assuring the TWU guys that they were gonna get them back into the a pension plan on the IAM side just not sure who provided it or who it was that said it, too long ago, but I do know it was said.

I'm sorry again seriously I don't recall ANYONE official trying to sell a "promise" that I would have anything to do with the IAMPF at all. I saw NO official documents from either Union guaranteeing me anything really once they began talks with the Company.

They did use the word "priority" as I recall. But I've made it a 20 year priority to marry Jennifer Anniston too and that hasn't happened, (yet)

As a matter of fact swamt I've been pretty consistent in saying that by far the IAMPF is not a perfect retirement vehicle and it even seemed like the IAM was trying to keep its faults out of our view.

 

[WeAAsles]

Especially true with this pathetic asso. in place that was forced onto the membership. This is one quote you have made that is so true. I knew you would come around some time.

swamt I have always disagreed that we didn't get a vote on whether or not the TWU and IAM should form an Association. So I don't know what more you want out of me?

But this REALLY is not your house here. It's NOT.

I DO SERIOUSLY wish you and the AMFA all the best at SWA. But you just can never return that courtesy because you don't like OUR Unions.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm sorry Weez you have been getting piled on the last couple of days.But seriously will MIA let you picket in a conspicuous spot

I don't know where exactly we'll be picketing yet? But we will be VERY noticeable.

 

[Albert]

I'm sorry again seriously I don't recall ANYONE official trying to sell a "promise" that I would have anything to do with the IAMPF at all. I saw NO official documents from either Union guaranteeing me anything really once they began talks with the Company.

They did use the word "priority" as I recall. But I've made it a 20 year priority to marry Jennifer Anniston too and that hasn't happened, (yet)

As a matter of fact swamt I've been pretty consistent in saying that by far the IAMPF is not a perfect retirement vehicle and it even seemed like the IAM was trying to keep its faults out of our view.

Weez, Bob beat you to her he gave her the old "electric eel" if you know what I mean

 

[Albert]

I don't know where exactly we'll be picketing yet? But we will be VERY noticeable.

The whole thing is to who?