JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[gulfcoast1]

You didn't mention SCOPE (Jobs) or Station Staffing?

You are correct and I knew I was forgetting a big one because there are three but it escaped me. Yes, I will believe we are reaching the end when we are down to the big three.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Did Isom actually say "industry leading" vacations and holidays? I'm not to sure and wouldn't want to put words in anyone's mouth

When referring to Holidays and Vacation, I am pretty sure he did. Weez is that how you remember it? It was the meeting where he said bringing in a Mediator would be a good idea.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Yes, we bring these issues up. And I will tell you although Isom states it's easy on vacations and holidays, they haven't offered industry leading on either one yet. So take that for what it's worth. Believe him if you want. But there is a reason why there is t anything to vote on yet. Actually there are many reasons.

I understand that and I believe you. I believe what they offered in those areas was not industry leading, which is why I asked the question you did not answer.

Isom said industry leading should be easy to reach industry leading articles on the issues like Holidays and Vacation. I believe you that the company negotiators did not offer that. If the company negotiators Boss, not the biggest but very big boss nonetheless, said those items should be easy, can someone please pick up the phone and call the Big Boss and say tell your team to send us something industry leading on the issues you told a hundred thousand employees were easy, and then you can move on to the big three.

That was my question. Someone surely can get in touch with Isom, maybe Sito or Samuelson?

 

[charlie Brown]

No

No I am a mechanic for SWA for over 23 years, I just like to argue with Swamt that likes to come over here and crap in your back yard ! You guys have your issues hope you work it out !

Haha
Again, my appologies, I don't get much time on here. When I do, I definitely don't have time to figure out where everyone is from. But thanks for your words.

 

[charlie Brown]

I understand that and I believe you. I believe what they offered in those areas was not industry leading, which is why I asked the question you did not answer.

Isom said industry leading should be easy to reach industry leading articles on the issues like Holidays and Vacation. I believe you that the company negotiators did not offer that. If the company negotiators Boss, not the biggest but very big boss nonetheless, said those items should be easy, can someone please pick up the phone and call the Big Boss and say tell your team to send us something industry leading on the issues you told a hundred thousand employees were easy, and then you can move on to the big three.

That was my question. Someone surely can get in touch with Isom, maybe Sito or Samuelson?

They are on the phone with their bosses everyday. Isom and Parker. Isom has actually been at the table before. Believe me, they are fully up to date on what is going on. Nothing gets done without them being fully aware.

 

[gulfcoast1]

They are on the phone with their bosses everyday. Isom and Parker. Isom has actually been at the table before. Believe me, they are fully up to date on what is going on. Nothing gets done without them being fully aware.

Unless Isom and Parker are Sito and Samuelson's bosses I don't think you are reading or understanding my question.

If the company negotiators are not doing what Isom told a hundred thousand people was easy to do on the easy articles, what will it take for one of the Association to pick up the phone and ask Isom why?

Not to sound like a jerk because I appreciate anyone who works on our behalf, but I am beginning to think I know why more is not getting done. I really don't want to sound like a jerk, but c'mon man this is beginning to sound bad, and I want to use a worse word than bad, because it is worse than bad.

Enough is enough already. Call their bosses from the table. Post videos like Patterson does. The negotiating schedule is pathetic, and the lack of interest in holding the company accountable to things they tell thousands of employees is inexcusable. I expect the company to try. I don't expect our representatives to roll over.

 

[swamt]

I'm the IAM side and I don't ever recall reading or hearing that. It has always been a debate from day one

Why is it a debate? It was in fact said. Do the research and you will see. I will not do your work for you or anyone else anymore. At least you say in your first post that you do not recall reading or hearing that, but, it was wrote and said.

 

[swamt]

I put the question mark for you because maybe you would have came back with something that said promise and I would have had serious egg on my face.

Obviously I am 100% sure no one "official" used the word promise. If they did swamp I'd be the first one all over them for trying to sell me/us a bunch of BS.

Like I said, I will not do your homework for you-period. They did promise. Your denyle was expected and noted.

I'm sorry again seriously I don't recall ANYONE official trying to sell a "promise" that I would have anything to do with the IAMPF at all. I saw NO official documents from either Union guaranteeing me anything really once they began talks with the Company.

They did use the word "priority" as I recall. But I've made it a 20 year priority to marry Jennifer Anniston too and that hasn't happened, (yet)

As a matter of fact swamt I've been pretty consistent in saying that by far the IAMPF is not a perfect retirement vehicle and it even seemed like the IAM was trying to keep its faults out of our view.

Your "priority" statement is true. Now go back a little further prior to the asso. being the asso. and read all the post in the dedicated thread that was addressing the asso. taking over. Of course the IAM was keeping it's faults out of your and the memberships view, see there? You are starting to come around even more.

swamt I have always disagreed that we didn't get a vote on whether or not the TWU and IAM should form an Association. So I don't know what more you want out of me?

But this REALLY is not your house here. It's NOT.

I DO SERIOUSLY wish you and the AMFA all the best at SWA. But you just can never return that courtesy because you don't like OUR Unions.

Not my house? Yea AA is not my house. And Southwest is not yours. How does it feel?

They are on the phone with their bosses everyday. Isom and Parker. Isom has actually been at the table before. Believe me, they are fully up to date on what is going on. Nothing gets done without them being fully aware.

Way to avoid the question there. Typical answer from someone at the table negotiating for the asso.

 

[conehead777]

I understand that and I believe you. I believe what they offered in those areas was not industry leading, which is why I asked the question you did not answer.

Isom said industry leading should be easy to reach industry leading articles on the issues like Holidays and Vacation. I believe you that the company negotiators did not offer that. If the company negotiators Boss, not the biggest but very big boss nonetheless, said those items should be easy, can someone please pick up the phone and call the Big Boss and say tell your team to send us something industry leading on the issues you told a hundred thousand employees were easy, and then you can move on to the big three.

That was my question. Someone surely can get in touch with Isom, maybe Sito or Samuelson?

you still believe these guys Parker Also said delta/united plus 7 that didn’t happen either did it. I do not believe anything Parker/Isom says. I can’t believe there’s anyone out there that still believes there lies. Plus Parker before negotiations said we have a industry leading proposal that didn’t happen either. When the company want post there proposals you know there insulting. I did not like Horton but you know what you had with Parker you get nothin but lip service

 

[swamt]

Just wondering if you group all union reps in the same category even though you don't know us. I have never said " trust me I know what is best for you" I negotiate on what the members tell me is best for them. And If I choose not to bring something out for a vote, it's because the members in the many break rooms I go in, tell me not to bring that pos out. While I agree with you that unionism isn't what it used to be, and unions are far from perfect. I don't agree with the reasons you state. Do you know the negotiating members on the IAM side?

He's an IGM mechanic. Not looking out for the majority, only himself. Now do you get the confusion?

 

[B737 driver]

He's an IGM mechanic. Not looking out for the majority, only himself. Now do you get the confusion?

Oh you are over here arguing about American Airlines stuff, they are trying to hang on to what they have, and get a contract that video that Brett put out for AMFA is SWA is going to hire all these F/A and pilots, we want a bunch of mechanics hired so our numbers grow too, and we get more dues money, so that sounds like an industrial union to me, but do carry on , dumping in American's backyard !

 

[WeAAsles]

Why is it a debate? It was in fact said. Do the research and you will see. I will not do your work for you or anyone else anymore. At least you say in your first post that you do not recall reading or hearing that, but, it was wrote and said.

"IF THE COMPANY AGREES IN NEGOTIATIONS"

"We will "TRY" to provide"

 

[WeAAsles]

When referring to Holidays and Vacation, I am pretty sure he did. Weez is that how you remember it? It was the meeting where he said bringing in a Mediator would be a good idea.

I think Parker and Isom are both either liars or have their own interpretation of things in their minds?

Don't recall exactly how he worded it but again you can't hold liars to their word anyway.

 

[NYer]

I understand peoples frustrations with the association. Especially if your a LAA since you guys had the numbers. But on the LUS side, people that are against the association don't consider the other option. It wasn't to stay IAM. And with all do respect to the twu, and I say that because of very good language in your contract: Past practice hasn't been too kind with other groups or unions coming into the twu as far as seniority goes. So the LUS folks even though they THINK they don't like the association. Hasn't considered the other option imo.

The options aren't considered or discounted.

The simple assumption is that this would all be over if it was just one union. I disagree simply because the issues and challenges wouldn't change if it was just one side in the room.

Agreeing to new language in just about every article in the CBA's isn't a quick process.

The fact we haven't received a more detailed oriented play by play only leads to the current frustrations.

Once the language is released I'd be pretty surprised if those on these pages, from both sides, don't call for us to get back in the room and continue the process.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

That's not true. They are reported and are way better than they used to be. Actually way lower vs some mainline stations.

i believe you. i work in a hub and envoy is a glorified swissport. i'm sure in small stations there is more commitment/motivation. there are some good envoy fscs here, but many are brutal...and drag everything down.

i see things all the time that should make aa mngt. be ashamed that the dismal eagle preformance was/is due to their mania for simple low-cost answers. envoy fscs get away with more than aa fscs and are not held as accountable as aa fscs...they know it, live it and get away with it here.