JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

They are about to announce continued record profits.

Exactly.

It is now time for Doug Parker to take a leadership role and deliver the industry leading contract across the board for Mech&Related, and Fleet.

Parker in no way feels beholden to M&R. He is the leader HIS employers expect him to be. He tries to meet THEIR expectations not yours.

He could foster an unbelievable amount of good will among a very large number of employees with one fell swoop.

Parker is not interested in your good will. He in interested in generating a profit for the company and making money for himself.

As long as AA is making record profit and you guys are doing your job what motivation does he have to push a contract settlement? What does it hurt him to keep the status quo for years?

That is just a hard truth.

As long as you guys are playing by the rules IMPOSED on you for the companies benefit you will have no power. That is a fact.

Flame on.

 

[AANOTOK]

Note what the reporter says at the end of the story. Not good. Not good at all.

http://www.fox23.com/video?videoId=567586217&videoVersion=1.0

Sad...UNITY AT IT'S BEST!

 

[Tim Nelson]

I am speaking as one member of the negotiating team. But I am ready to just tell them to stick it and

Tim
I can't control if a letter of support comes out or not. My guess is that you might see one sometime this coming week due to this past week in negotiations. But that's just my opinion and I could definitely be wrong. But keep in mind the way the 2 unions are made up. While a local president for the twu can can call for info picketing, a local IAM president would never. BUT, I do believe if we don't make any progress next week, that you will see the " association " fully unified going forward in any message we want to send. That's from a IAM side. Again, local presidents on the twu side can do whatever they feel. I would just hope there would be some commiunication to the association when they want to pull the string next time.

I hear ya. Just looked really bad that apa and apfa sent a letter but sito didnt. Hopefully, a letter comes out if anything to show the membership.
Thanks for answering.

 

[charlie Brown]

I hear ya. Just looked really bad that apa and apfa sent a letter but sito didnt. Hopefully, a letter comes out if anything to show the membership.
Thanks for answering.

I've always said that I pay attention to someone's actions and not their words. And while I admit a letter of support would be good from the IAM, I will also say that members of the higher level should not state that they are in full support of the association, and then turn and do their own thing without the association being notified.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Note what the reporter says at the end of the story. Not good. Not good at all.

http://www.fox23.com/video?videoId=567586217&videoVersion=1.0

Ridiculous but everyone on our side has balked at official support.
My apologies.

 

[charlie Brown]

And yes. If you want my opinion and based on the companies proposal. It's my opinion that they are testing the solidarity of the association. I'm sure they would much rather have a jcba with 90% Twu ( bankrupt ) language in it. We as a association whether your for it or not, deserve " industry leading" not bankrupt language.

 

[charlie Brown]

Ridiculous but everyone on our side has balked at official support.
My apologies.

Tim
I know a letter would be good. However imo what would be good is to info picket the 10 hubs ( some largest in the country ) all at one time. That would send a strong united message. However to do this, you have to have notice. All airports are different on the time frame needed to get a permit for picketing. And then many are only allowed a certain number even then. So this imo is why the association needs to be given notice. I'm sure the Dfw picketing will be very successful with a great turn out. But how much bigger of a message could have been sent if we had all hubs participating in the same day. This is what I hope the association can come together and do. Not one city at a time because local presidents decide to do something on their own. Good local news coverage, but not much beyond that will be seen.

 

[anotherdelay]

what if the company is balking at having to fund an underfunded iampf and also feeling they may be liable for employee lawsuits? and would rather fund a 401k 9.9% contribution, in exchange for lus going into laa medical? How do we know that's not holding up negotiations? i ask other than cost, what is the major benefit of lus medical vs laa medical?

 

[charlie Brown]

what if the company is balking at having to fund an underfunded iampf and also feeling they may be liable for employee lawsuits? and would rather fund a 401k 9.9% contribution, in exchange for lus going into laa medical? How do we know that's not holding up negotiations? i ask other than cost, what is the major benefit of lus medical vs laa?

I can assure you unless you choose not to.believe, that the company is basically balking on all remaining issues. It is definitely not a leading industry contract with their latest offer. Maybe 3rd best. I know many are hung up on the pension vs 401, but it goes far beyond that.

 

[AANOTOK]

I know you are speaking of Fleet CB, but was the mechanics just as woeful if not more so?

 

[anotherdelay]

Tim
I know a letter would be good. However imo what would be good is to info picket the 10 hubs ( some largest in the country ) all at one time. That would send a strong united message. However to do this, you have to have notice. All airports are different on the time frame needed to get a permit for picketing. And then many are only allowed a certain number even then. So this imo is why the association needs to be given notice. I'm sure the Dfw picketing will be very successful with a great turn out. But how much bigger of a message could have been sent if we had all hubs participating in the same day. This is what I hope the association can come together and do. Not one city at a time because local presidents decide to do something on their own. Good local news coverage, but not much beyond that will be seen.

my prediction will come true, this association because of the pension, and stepping over dollars to save pennies lus medical, will hurt the membership more than help. you guys on the iam side are nuts. I want to know the true numbers of the healthcare, and why it can be that much cheaper and better quality? sounds like you guys have the part timers subsidizing the full timers, which is a theme with the pension as well.

 

[anotherdelay]

I can assure you unless you choose not to.believe, that the company is basically balking on all remaining issues. It is definitely not a leading industry contract with their latest offer. Maybe 3rd best. I know many are hung up on the pension vs 401, but it goes far beyond that.

well logic and reason are funny that way, when we get no information.

 

[charlie Brown]

I know you are speaking of Fleet CB, but was the mechanics just as woeful if not more so?

Yes, imo

 

[anotherdelay]

I hear ya. Just looked really bad that apa and apfa sent a letter but sito didnt. Hopefully, a letter comes out if anything to show the membership.
Thanks for answering.

you hit it on the head, his election is more important than getting us a contract.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
I know a letter would be good. However imo what would be good is to info picket the 10 hubs ( some largest in the country ) all at one time. That would send a strong united message. However to do this, you have to have notice. All airports are different on the time frame needed to get a permit for picketing. And then many are only allowed a certain number even then. So this imo is why the association needs to be given notice. I'm sure the Dfw picketing will be very successful with a great turn out. But how much bigger of a message could have been sent if we had all hubs participating in the same day. This is what I hope the association can come together and do. Not one city at a time because local presidents decide to do something on their own. Good local news coverage, but not much beyond that will be seen.

At the end of the day, managements ongoing actions are unacceptable.