JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[charlie Brown]

my prediction will come true, this association because of the pension, and stepping over dollars to save pennies lus medical, will hurt the membership more than help. you guys on the iam side are nuts. I want to know the true numbers of the healthcare, and why it can be that much cheaper and better quality? sounds like you guys have the part timers subsidizing the full timers, which is a theme with the pension as well.

So at LUS. Our members have a choice of 100, 90, or 80 percent coverage. At LAA you have 80 percent with no option. Not taking the whole time to get into all the specifics, but just comparing the LAA 80 to the LUS 80 for family coverage it's between 400 and 500 more a month. Not to mention the deductibles and max out of pocket for the year. So if your on the negotiating team for LUS? Are you going to agree with the company making billions for your members to go down to that insurance? And like I said, this is just one issue. The proposal fell short on all remaining articles. I can assure you as much as some in here want a contract. Speaking as a IAM member, as long as I have a say, I am not bringing out a cost negative contract to the LUS side when the company is making billions. Personally I don't call that being nutty. But you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So at LUS. Our members have a choice of 100, 90, or 80 percent coverage. At LAA you have 80 percent with no option. Not taking the whole time to get into all the specifics, but just comparing the LAA 80 to the LUS 80 for family coverage it's between 400 and 500 more a month. Not to mention the deductibles and max out of pocket for the year. So if your on the negotiating team for LUS? Are you going to agree with the company making billions for your members to go down to that insurance? And like I said, this is just one issue. The proposal fell short on all remaining articles. I can assure you as much as some in here want a contract. Speaking as a IAM member, as long as I have a say, I am not bringing out a cost negative contract to the LUS side when the company is making billions. Personally I don't call that being nutty. But you are entitled to your opinion.

I agree.

 

[P. REZ]

my prediction will come true, this association because of the pension, and stepping over dollars to save pennies lus medical, will hurt the membership more than help. you guys on the iam side are nuts. I want to know the true numbers of the healthcare, and why it can be that much cheaper and better quality? sounds like you guys have the part timers subsidizing the full timers, which is a theme with the pension as well.

anotherdelay,

LUS 90 for a family, full time employee
$293.96 per month
$450 deductible
$3000 out of pocket max including deductible

LAA 80 standard for family
$323.16 per month
$2550 deductible
$7550 out of pocket max because it doesn't include deductible

Note: Part time employee pays $587.92 per month with same deductible and out of pocket max for 90.

 

[WeAAsles]

So at LUS. Our members have a choice of 100, 90, or 80 percent coverage. At LAA you have 80 percent with no option. Not taking the whole time to get into all the specifics, but just comparing the LAA 80 to the LUS 80 for family coverage it's between 400 and 500 more a month. Not to mention the deductibles and max out of pocket for the year. So if your on the negotiating team for LUS? Are you going to agree with the company making billions for your members to go down to that insurance? And like I said, this is just one issue. The proposal fell short on all remaining articles. I can assure you as much as some in here want a contract. Speaking as a IAM member, as long as I have a say, I am not bringing out a cost negative contract to the LUS side when the company is making billions. Personally I don't call that being nutty. But you are entitled to your opinion.

If the company has presented a proposal that asks to brings you to our Medical costs, NO. You guys hold firm as long as you have to.

Nothing in these Negotiations should be considered a "must have" for the Company.

 

[gulfcoast1]

I can assure you unless you choose not to.believe, that the company is basically balking on all remaining issues. It is definitely not a leading industry contract with their latest offer. Maybe 3rd best. I know many are hung up on the pension vs 401, but it goes far beyond that.

I think almost everyone on here, whether they are LAA or LUS believe you and Prez want an industry leading contract.

Where you have lost people, not losing, but lost, myself included, is with the lack of effort in scheduling negotiations. After a while it makes many wonder how hard the committee is fighting in negotiations, when you have been meeting 2 weeks a month or less.

I don't see anyone from the IAM or TWU complaining about it and it has been this way for a year and a half. Your lack of effort has lost me and many others I know.

Although I think you do care about what Association members think, I question how that is possible when you have shown you don't care if you go a month without talking.

It is unacceptable and I will not vote for anyone who is on the committee now in the next election because of this. The committee has let this happen because you have been quiet about it imo.

Association members deserve better. I don't think there is anyone on here, if there is please let me know, who thinks your meeting schedule is acceptable. It's pathetic. If it's the company's fault then you have failed to hold them publicly accountable. Start now. Start today. Call them out every chance you get.

I am not one of the people on here who says meet 24/7. That is not realistic. I do think 3 weeks on 1 week off is. Even 2 weeks on 1 week off would be better than what we are getting.

How can we have faith that you are fighting when you won't even fight for more meetings?

The current meeting schedule is pathetic and the committee is at least 50% responsible for it. You have lost support because of it.

 

[AANOTOK]

Again, believe them or not, AA (Isom) said they would meet anytime, anywhere, but it takes two sides. I have heard both the TWU and even more so the IAM say they have other obligations. Right now the number one focus should be the 30,000 employees you represent. Not your family, not grievance training, not steward training, but meeting and getting your members a contract.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Again, believe them or not, AA (Isom) said they would meet anytime, anywhere, but it takes two sides. I have heard both the TWU and even more so the IAM say they have other obligations. Right now the number one focus should be the 30,000 employees you represent. Not your family, not grievance training, not steward training, but meeting and getting your members a contract.

Honestly, i dont believe management. They been lying in town halls for 2 years.

 

[charlie Brown]

I think almost everyone on here, whether they are LAA or LUS believe you and Prez want an industry leading contract.

Where you have lost people, not losing, but lost, myself included, is with the lack of effort in scheduling negotiations. After a while it makes many wonder how hard the committee is fighting in negotiations, when you have been meeting 2 weeks a month or less.

I don't see anyone from the IAM or TWU complaining about it and it has been this way for a year and a half. Your lack of effort has lost me and many others I know.

Although I think you do care about what Association members think, I question how that is possible when you have shown you don't care if you go a month without talking.

It is unacceptable and I will not vote for anyone who is on the committee now in the next election because of this. The committee has let this happen because you have been quiet about it imo.

Association members deserve better. I don't think there is anyone on here, if there is please let me know, who thinks your meeting schedule is acceptable. It's pathetic. If it's the company's fault then you have failed to hold them publicly accountable. Start now. Start today. Call them out every chance you get.

I am not one of the people on here who says meet 24/7. That is not realistic. I do think 3 weeks on 1 week off is. Even 2 weeks on 1 week off would be better than what we are getting.

How can we have faith that you are fighting when you won't even fight for more meetings?

The current meeting schedule is pathetic and the committee is at least 50% responsible for it. You have lost support because of it.

The people on the negotiating team is willing to meet as much as possible. Not saying it's all the companies fault. Sometimes it's been one side or the others fault on the association. One of the downfalls of the association is that two union heads have to be clear for negotiations. These guys have many issues going on. When one might be available, the other side may not be. Now you have to match that with the companies availability. No it's not the perfect world as far as scheduling goes, however the 12 that's on the team have no control of that other than to push for more dates. But pushing for more dates, doesn't clear the big boys schedule on either side. And your welcome to vote for who you want, I don't negotiate a contract worrying about votes. I negotiate based on what the members I represent have stated they want. If you want to vote against me for that? That's your right. At least you care enough to vote when the time comes.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Again, believe them or not, AA (Isom) said they would meet anytime, anywhere, but it takes two sides. I have heard both the TWU and even more so the IAM say they have other obligations. Right now the number one focus should be the 30,000 employees you represent. Not your family, not grievance training, not steward training, but meeting and getting your members a contract.

I will not ask any of the committee to put anything before their families, but the current negotiation schedule is pathetic. We deserve better than this. If this is the company's fault then start holding them publicly responsible. Meeting 1 or 2 weeks a month is not fighting hard, not even close. Members deserve at least 2 weeks on 1 week off or more and if we deserve to know why we have not gotten that.

 

[AANOTOK]

Honestly, i dont believe management. They been lying in town halls for 2 years.

It can be proven Tim, call them on their bluff. Go all in and demand to meet three weeks a month until a JCBA or impasse is reached. Let's see who really is the party not interested in meeting more frequently.
If no JCBA is reached, do we maintain this negotiation schedule during section 6 as well??

 

[gulfcoast1]

The people on the negotiating team is willing to meet as much as possible. Not saying it's all the companies fault. Sometimes it's been one side or the others fault on the association. One of the downfalls of the association is that two union heads have to be clear for negotiations. These guys have many issues going on. When one might be available, the other side may not be. Now you have to match that with the companies availability. No it's not the perfect world as far as scheduling goes, however the 12 that's on the team have no control of that other than to push for more dates. But pushing for more dates, doesn't clear the big boys schedule on either side. And your welcome to vote for who you want, I don't negotiate a contract worrying about votes. I negotiate based on what the members I represent have stated they want. If you want to vote against me for that? That's your right. At least you care enough to vote when the time comes.

What I want and I think the members deserve is at least 2 weeks on 1 week off. As long as this has dragged on, and with as many members as this affects, this should be the 'big guys' number one priority for at least 2 weeks on and 1 week off.

 

[AANOTOK]

I will not ask any of the committee to put anything before their families, but the current negotiation schedule is pathetic. We deserve better than this. If this is the company's fault then start holding them publicly responsible. Meeting 1 or 2 weeks a month is not fighting hard, not even close. Members deserve at least 2 weeks on 1 week off or more and if we deserve to know why we have not gotten that.

I'm not saying missing graduations, sports moments, anniversary's etc...but to break and say hey honey I'm home doesn't cut it...that's one of the drawbacks of being a rep during negotiations, something you knew going in. Again, you are paid for your position.

 

[AANOTOK]

The people on the negotiating team is willing to meet as much as possible. Not saying it's all the companies fault. Sometimes it's been one side or the others fault on the association. One of the downfalls of the association is that two union heads have to be clear for negotiations. These guys have many issues going on. When one might be available, the other side may not be. Now you have to match that with the companies availability. No it's not the perfect world as far as scheduling goes, however the 12 that's on the team have no control of that other than to push for more dates. But pushing for more dates, doesn't clear the big boys schedule on either side. And your welcome to vote for who you want, I don't negotiate a contract worrying about votes. I negotiate based on what the members I represent have stated they want. If you want to vote against me for that? That's your right. At least you care enough to vote when the time comes.

Another disadvantage of the Association!

 

[robbedagain]

if there were to be pickets by the association why limit it to the hubs why not all mainline cities that would send a very strong message of solidarity and support

 

[WeAAsles]

In one Townhall Parker was asked about the meetings only 2 weeks per month and said that's enough.

Maybe Isom didn't see that Townhall?