JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[anotherdelay]

did she really say at the end they promised full time in pbi, and a full grand lodge officer pension. sorry looks like it's going to part timers on off the street first, who were promised a full pension.

 

[Traymark]

They will throw everyone under the bus for the $150,000+ compensation, free healthcare, short term disability, 15 weeks of convention/vacations, double pension, positive space. They think they are entitled and above so they could care less about letters of support to twu.

Sadly, there is a lot of truth to this. However, the proposal the company pushed across the table was obviously lacking.
I prefer to focus on that.
Now is the time to put the onus on the Company, 100%.
They are about to announce continued record profits.
It's time we did picketing system wide and we need our Pilots and Flight Attendants to support that as well.
If I was a flight crew member and my mechanics and fleet were working under a BK contract after 4 + years of record profits, I'd have an uneasy feeling about how the company is treating those folks that make sure everything is A-ok at 30,000 ft.

It is now time for Doug Parker to take a leadership role and deliver the industry leading contract across the board for Mech&Related, and Fleet.
He could foster an unbelievable amount of good will among a very large number of employees with one fell swoop.

1. We need to insist on non stop negotiations at this point, because we've earned it.
Our financial experts on the NC, (god I hope we have some), need to hammer the company every day at the table on everything they proposed.
2. We need to have system wide informational picketing weekly.
3. The Pilots and FA's would look really good walking with us at every airport in our system.
It's time to get the media involved and let the flying public know exactly how Mr Parker has treated his ground workers while he has cashed in monthly with millions in stock sales to the tune of wealth he himself never even thought possible just a few short years ago.
4. Work safe my friends, IAW.

 

[anotherdelay]

Sadly, there is a lot of truth to this. However, the proposal the company pushed across the table was obviously lacking.
I prefer to focus on that.
Now is the time to put the onus on the Company, 100%.
They are about to announce continued record profits.
It's time we did picketing system wide and we need our Pilots and Flight Attendants to support that as well.
If I was a flight crew member and my mechanics and fleet were working under a BK contract after 4 + years of record profits, I'd have an uneasy feeling about how the company is treating those folks that make sure everything is A-ok at 30,000 ft.

It is now time for Doug Parker to take a leadership role and deliver the industry leading contract across the board for Mech&Related, and Fleet.
He could foster an unbelievable amount of good will among a very large number of employees with one fell swoop.

1. We need to insist on non stop negotiations at this point, because we've earned it.
Our financial experts on the NC, (god I hope we have some), need to hammer the company every day at the table on everything they proposed.
2. We need to have system wide informational picketing weekly.
3. The Pilots and FA's would look really good walking with us at every airport in our system.
It's time to get the media involved and let the flying public know exactly how Mr Parker has treated his ground workers while he has cashed in monthly with millions in stock sales to the tune of wealth he himself never even thought possible just a few short years ago.
4. Work safe my friends, IAW.

who to believe at this point? ill give twu the benefit of the doubt.

 

[charlie Brown]

I can tell everyone on here, IF you want to believe it or not, that it is not either of the unions or the association. I am 100% sure that everyone on this board reading this, if you were on the negotiating committee, would have told the company to take their latest proposal and stick it. I am in the room. And while I didn't personally ask every TWU & IAM member what they personally thought, I can tell you by the responses we all made to the executive team, were all the same. And that was that this proposal did t even come close.

 

[AANOTOK]

And what was the Executive Teams response to AA's bullchit. I still want to know why we can't get full details or worse case scenario a snippet of what AA threw down. We have an idea of what we are demanding, but the members would like to know just how far apart were.

 

[NYer]

This really shouldn't surprise anyone. I haven't seen the proposal but I'd guess they want the IAM to take the LAA medical and may have made a pension and/or scope proposal that is sorely lacking. The TWU side would probably be held hostage with the remaining open items like VC and SK time, maybe scope.

That would make the IAM negotiate to either shore up the pension or scope in exchange for the Company "must have" in the medical.

At the same time, they hold the TWU hostage in order to have them pressure the IAM to make a move.

If the NMB is still around, at some point they will suggest something be sent for a vote in order to gauge the Members interest in the proposals at that point. If it passes, their mission is accomplished.

If it doesn't this would probably drag into Section 6 negotiations in 2018.

 

[charlie Brown]

And what was the Executive Teams response to AA's bullchit. I still want to know why we can't get full details or worse case scenario a snippet of what AA threw down. We have an idea of what we are demanding, but the members would like to know just how far apart were.

Notock
I can speak for the IAM side and not the TWU. But the IAM has never released many details on negotiations. Yes that's frustrating I know. But the main reason is they know the company monitors all public forums. What if you heard specific details and 90% of the people on here think and start posting that they are good with that? What leverage does that give your negotiating team? Because I can guarantee you that it would be used against us when we are fighting for more in negotiations.

 

[charlie Brown]

This really shouldn't surprise anyone. I haven't seen the proposal but I'd guess they want the IAM to take the LAA medical and may have made a pension and/or scope proposal that is sorely lacking. The TWU side would probably be held hostage with the remaining open items like VC and SK time, maybe scope.

That would make the IAM negotiate to either shore up the pension or scope in exchange for the Company "must have" in the medical.

At the same time, they hold the TWU hostage in order to have them pressure the IAM to make a move.

If the NMB is still around, at some point they will suggest something be sent for a vote in order to gauge the Members interest in the proposals at that point. If it passes, their mission is accomplished.

If it doesn't this would probably drag into Section 6 negotiations in 2018.

While I can't give out details on the proposal, the best I can respond to your post is that the proposal was by far lacking on every remaining issue that we don't have TA,d. Not just one or two issues. But lacking on all remaining issues. Wasn't even worth considering. And while I don't want to speak for the twu brothers on the team, I'm pretty sure they felt the same way.

 

[Traymark]

In light of the companies current unprecedented financial position this contract needs to knock our socks off.
I believe we should expect :
~ a healthcare plan better than LUS - it used to be free (way before billions in record profits)
~ industry leading vacation, holidays, holiday pay
~ industry leading 401K contribution that is permanent
~ industry leading hourly pay With automatic escalators at the end of the contract so they can't ever again drag out negotiations

If they gave us all that, I'd be good with a snapshot of the current scope at each station, no one loses a job, period.

Come on Mr Parker, walk like a man.

 

[NYer]

While I can't give out details on the proposal, the best I can respond to your post is that the proposal was by far lacking on every remaining issue that we don't have TA,d. Not just one or two issues. But lacking on all remaining issues. Wasn't even worth considering. And while I don't want to speak for the twu brothers on the team, I'm pretty sure they felt the same way.

I'm sure they felt the same way and I'm sure we'd all feel the same way. However, the premise remains. This proposal may have been designed to be severely lacking in order to trade up on certain things in exchange for the LAA medical, some Scope in exchange for the pension to remain and possibly get a higher contribution level.

Doesn't mean they'll get it, but this is an attempt towards that goal

 

[charlie Brown]

In light of the companies current unprecedented financial position this contract needs to knock our socks off.
I believe we should expect :
~ a healthcare plan better than LUS - it used to be free (way before billions in record profits)
~ industry leading vacation, holidays, holiday pay
~ industry leading 401K contribution that is permanent
~ industry leading hourly pay With automatic escalators at the end of the contract so they can't ever again drag out negotiations

If they gave us all that, I'd be good with a snapshot of the current scope at each station, no one loses a job, period.

Come on Mr Parker, walk like a man.

Haha.
Not laughing at you. Just laughing because I'm sure Parker will tell you to keep dreaming.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Notock
I can speak for the IAM side and not the TWU. But the IAM has never released many details on negotiations. Yes that's frustrating I know. But the main reason is they know the company monitors all public forums. What if you heard specific details and 90% of the people on here think and start posting that they are good with that? What leverage does that give your negotiating team? Because I can guarantee you that it would be used against us when we are fighting for more in negotiations.

My wuestion is exactly how do you guys get the company to shift from its position if the solidarity isnt strong enuf between the twu and iam for a letter of support from sito? I mean, if i was the company then why should I bother negotiating fairly if prez says on here that he is fine with the progress of negotiations? And shy would the company fuss if sito doesnt bother any letter of support for twu picketing?

 

[charlie Brown]

I am speaking as one member of the negotiating team. But I am ready to just tell them to stick it and

My wuestion is exactly how do you guys get the company to shift from its position if the solidarity isnt strong enuf between the twu and iam for a letter of support from sito? I mean, if i was the company then why should I bother negotiating fairly if prez says on here that he is fine with the progress of negotiations? And shy would the company fuss if sito doesnt bother any letter of support for twu picketing?

Tim
I can't control if a letter of support comes out or not. My guess is that you might see one sometime this coming week due to this past week in negotiations. But that's just my opinion and I could definitely be wrong. But keep in mind the way the 2 unions are made up. While a local president for the twu can can call for info picketing, a local IAM president would never. BUT, I do believe if we don't make any progress next week, that you will see the " association " fully unified going forward in any message we want to send. That's from a IAM side. Again, local presidents on the twu side can do whatever they feel. I would just hope there would be some commiunication to the association when they want to pull the string next time.

 

[charlie Brown]

I'm sure they felt the same way and I'm sure we'd all feel the same way. However, the premise remains. This proposal may have been designed to be severely lacking in order to trade up on certain things in exchange for the LAA medical, some Scope in exchange for the pension to remain and possibly get a higher contribution level.

Doesn't mean they'll get it, but this is an attempt towards that goal

Good point. Usually with this management team, there is definitely much jockeying going on. So we will see what next week brings to the table.

 

[WeAAsles]

Note what the reporter says at the end of the story. Not good. Not good at all.

http://www.fox23.com/video?videoId=567586217&videoVersion=1.0