JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

no shocker no surprise this is very typical of the mgmt. team that pulled stunts like this at HP and US

Robbed what's typical? There is NO information to say anything is typical here?

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[Jester]

Guaranteed now one more year of GREAT Medical for the 27% of Association members is my guess.

Vis a vis IAM members.

You'll get use to that mentality with the IAM. I recall years ago with America West being represented by the TWU and the JCBA vote where many on these boards called for America West agents to reject the agreement because of our "industry leading scope", which was one mainline flight a day.

Never mind that America West starting pay was $7.50/hour and it took 6 years to get to $10/hour and topped out a $14/hour after 13 (?) years-- not to mention that part-timers had no health insurance benefits for family members. Why would the company need to contract out that cheap labor? But we were told to hold the line and ignore the "wage bait" for an additional $5/hour (along with family health insurance benefits for part-timers) when US agents with the IAM were already earning closer to legacy airline industry standard pay and benefits.

 

[WeAAsles]

You'll get use to that mentality with the IAM. I recall years ago with America West being represented by the TWU and the JCBA vote where many on these boards called for America West agents to reject the agreement because of our "industry leading scope", which was one mainline flight a day.

Never mind that America West starting pay was $7.50/hour and it took 6 years to get to $10/hour and topped out a $14/hour after 13 (?) years-- not to mention that part-timers had no health insurance benefits for family members. Why would the company need to contract out that cheap labor? But we were told to hold the line and ignore the "wage bait" for an additional $5/hour (along with family health insurance benefits for part-timers) when US agents with the IAM were already earning closer to legacy airline industry standard pay and benefits.

So IYO someone "may" be screwing us and it might not necessarily be the Company?

 

[robbedagain]

Robbed what's typical? There is NO information to say anything is typical here?

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WeAA. At US we went thru similar. D.P. is famous for pulling chitty proposals before actually getting a decent contract. I get feeling he wants mainline hubs. He wants catering gone n cities gone. N its my belief that the association is not backing off. Hence the letter put out today. Its how i feel n my opin bro

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA. At US we went thru similar. D.P. is famous for pulling chitty proposals before actually getting a decent contract. I get feeling he wants mainline hubs. He wants catering gone n cities gone. N its my belief that the association is not backing off. Hence the letter put out today. Its how i feel n my opin bro

Robbed we can't read minds what the Company may or may not want or have presented to our Unions?

And I just saw a post on FB that says our TWU International President John Sameulsen and other Intl reps are going to be joining the picketing in DFW.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Will the IAM now officially join the first protest in DFW?

It doesnt help when you support iam peeps who said they are satisfied with the progress of negotiations. They flip like pancakes. Which is it? Disappointed in talks? Or "we arent picketing cuz we are satisfied with progress?

You may not realize it but you are hurting our talks cuz twu members as yourself are used to cuddle the iam position. You ought to be more like NYer instead of so apologetic to the iam. That said, i realize its your right to wave the iam flag and its pension but they are simply just playing you. Sorry.

 

[robbedagain]

Youre right WeAA. I just gave my own opinion brother. Thats all. I wish the IAM would join the TWU n do a system wide picketing

 

[WeAAsles]

Can someone confirm this?

"I read an email that was sent from someone in the IAM Intl that said members at DFW can walk with us but it is not sanctioned by the IAM OR the ASSociation"

This was written by someone involved with the picketing in DFW. And he wrote it publicly on Facebook.

P. Rez or Charlie Brown can you confirm?

 

[MetalMover]

Robbed we can't read minds what the Company may or may not want or have presented to our Unions?

And I just saw a post on FB that says our TWU International President John Sameulsen and other Intl reps are going to be joining the picketing in DFW.

Time to take the "WILL STRIKE IF PROVOKED" tee shirts out of the dresser drawers!

 

[AANOTOK]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind the

Can someone confirm this?

"I read an email that was sent from someone in the IAM Intl that said members at DFW can walk with us but it is not sanctioned by the IAM OR the ASSociation"

This was written by someone involved with the picketing in DFW. And he wrote it publicly on Facebook.

P. Rez or Charlie Brown can you confirm?

 

[anotherdelay]

the iampf will be the death of both unions....that said, Tim gave everyone the road map, with healthcare and the reelection . Throw in iam's contract is still in effect with no agreement come sept, as it becomes extended another year. I think everyone but Weassile saw this coming, because his lily livered opportunist useless tool personality blinds him. And that's being complementary too him. The question I have other than cost, why is iam's medical so much better that laa's?

 

[WeAAsles]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind the

Matt Leavitt.

 

[AANOTOK]

delete

 

[Tim Nelson]

Then why do you think the Association is a good thing...this IS the by product of the Association...two different pages being read.

Not necessarily. Yes i did, and do...at this time because it offered unity and solidarity. From the creation, the TWU offered unconditioned solidarity and support to allow the iam to get a stand alone contract. But then the iam games started which have now manifested into the iam joining management and leaving the twu out in the cold. Im hoping our iam leaders learn from the errors of their way and join in solidarity. Its no less than shameful for all unions on the property, except the iam, to support the twu. If this is where things are then our iam leaders opened the door for the company to stick it to us. My support for the association will be lost if the iam continues to join in with management.
What do you expect management to offer when the twu puts its best foot forward yet the iam knifes them in the back.

Blame this update on the iam bosses who said publicly on this site "we fine with negotiation progress".

 

[AANOTOK]

Matt Leavitt.

Who is Matt Leavitt? And to be honest, I can't remember why I wrote that comment...so I guess there is some doubt. 🙂