JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Jester]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the rest of the contracts will be done before the end of the year?

I don't see that happening... both sides gave-up their biggest leverage in the recent exchange. Work group wanted a large pay increase and the company wanted cross utilization (although far from complete intergration).

Now the company de facto finds itself in an "average" costs level of ancillary other issues and benefits between the US and AA contracts which what Management offered and was unacceptable to the Association. Furthermore, the IAM and TWU cannot agree on issues of pension/401K, crew chief/lead responsibilities, PT/FT healthcare insurance costs, etc., so I am not seeing anything here which would push for a quick resolution, especially as the rank and file are not clamoring for a JCBA after a sizable pay raise.

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Sound good?

Hey WeAAsles, think we will get a deal in the next few hours?

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey WeAAsles, think we will get a deal in the next few hours?

Jester it looks like I owe you even more than an apology. My limb broke and I landed right on my tailbone. And tomorrow it looks like I'm going out to hunt for some crow for dinner. I always keep a jar of orange marmalade in the fridge for basting my crows.

Now mark these words. 2016 will not take Keith Richards. 2 and half hours so hopefully I don't blow this one too?

 

[lax]

He was being facetious Bob. Living in LAX he needs Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money.

Living in LAX compared to MIA the dude would need to make $15,000 per year more than me to live the same lifestyle.

And around $26,000 more than what you make there in DFW.

I'm pretty sure that you don't know my financial condition and if you think that the theme of my post was "money" I'd encourage you to re-read it. and fyi I haven't worked at lax in almost 10 yrs not that has any relevance

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm pretty sure that you don't know my financial condition and if you think that the theme of my post was "money" I'd encourage you to re-read it. and fyi I haven't worked at lax in almost 10 yrs not that has any relevance

I just did. The theme of your post was a rant. Did you read my response? Here it is again.



Ok man I'm just not getting any of this? If you look on the TWU webpage under contracts on our wages showing for XX/XX/2012 you see us making $21.16 TOS. But since everything has progressed we're now at $30.17 TOS.

$9.00 x 40 x 4 = $1440.00
$1440.00 x 12 = $17,280 per year.

That jump happened all in the past 4 years.

Yea our medical costs stink on the AA side but except for the top tier plan the two other plan costs didn't go up at all next year and we just got a raise that went into effect giving us $925.00 per month before taxes.

Even if someone kept the top tier medical which went up by 10% the max raise in cost on that was only $60.00 per month.

I'm sorry man but the rant is just too weird.

Absolutely not exactly a State secret that the IAM negotiators don't want to go with our medical at the costs we pay. Why should they want to and do you think they should just jump to bring that back to their members so we can get a little more in Holliday pay?

Right now we're locked in to our medical for next year whether we like it or not. If they got us a deal on Jan 1 nothing is going to change that. Hopefully they can get us a deal though before next years benefits enrollment? But right now I wouldn't exactly say or try to claim that we're starving. People that read here are going to laugh at us if we tried to make that claim.


(So be more specific then? What exactly is your issue if your financial condition is ok?)

 

[WeAAsles]

Jester it looks like I owe you even more than an apology. My limb broke and I landed right on my tailbone. And tomorrow it looks like I'm going out to hunt for some crow for dinner. I always keep a jar of orange marmalade in the fridge for basting my crows.

Now mark these words. 2016 will not take Keith Richards. 2 and half hours so hopefully I don't blow this one too?

Woke up this morning and Keith Richards is still with us, hallelujah. But 2016 did get Father Mullcahy from MASH as its last victim Saturday morning.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Woke up this morning and Keith Richards is still with us, hallelujah. But 2016 did get Father Mullcahy from MASH as its last victim Saturday morning.

Aww nuts.

Father Mulcahy was my favorite character.

 

[Talos]

I just did. The theme of your post was a rant. Did you read my response? Here it is again.



Ok man I'm just not getting any of this? If you look on the TWU webpage under contracts on our wages showing for XX/XX/2012 you see us making $21.16 TOS. But since everything has progressed we're now at $30.17 TOS.

$9.00 x 40 x 4 = $1440.00
$1440.00 x 12 = $17,280 per year.

That jump happened all in the past 4 years.

Yea our medical costs stink on the AA side but except for the top tier plan the two other plan costs didn't go up at all next year and we just got a raise that went into effect giving us $925.00 per month before taxes.

Even if someone kept the top tier medical which went up by 10% the max raise in cost on that was only $60.00 per month.

I'm sorry man but the rant is just too weird.

Absolutely not exactly a State secret that the IAM negotiators don't want to go with our medical at the costs we pay. Why should they want to and do you think they should just jump to bring that back to their members so we can get a little more in Holliday pay?

Right now we're locked in to our medical for next year whether we like it or not. If they got us a deal on Jan 1 nothing is going to change that. Hopefully they can get us a deal though before next years benefits enrollment? But right now I wouldn't exactly say or try to claim that we're starving. People that read here are going to laugh at us if we tried to make that claim.


(So be more specific then? What exactly is your issue if your financial condition is ok?)

I think the negotiations are going to be very difficult. The Association itself is very difficult. The job losses over the years total is really alarming and needs to be addressed. Lots of displaced people very unhappy with the lack of progress made thus far. The pay increase was substantial but after all the years of pain it does not make up for it for most of the people I know. I'm sure all people on this forum know this business is feast or famine. You better get it while the gettin is good or you will be forever pissed off at the missed opportunity. I hope the union leaders really start thinking about that.

 

[NYer]

I think the negotiations are going to be very difficult. The Association itself is very difficult. The job losses over the years total is really alarming and needs to be addressed. Lots of displaced people very unhappy with the lack of progress made thus far. The pay increase was substantial but after all the years of pain it does not make up for it for most of the people I know. I'm sure all people on this forum know this business is feast or famine. You better get it while the gettin is good or you will be forever pissed off at the missed opportunity. I hope the union leaders really start thinking about that.

I have always maintained the TWU should have been better prepared as we waited for the NMB to certify the Association. It turned out they waited until after the certification to finally get together with the IAM in order to work through this very difficult process. We are now paying for some of that wasted time as these negotiations will undoubtedly drag on into the foreseeable future (unless the Company drops a take it or leave proposal and moving this process into Section 6 in 2018 if not accepted)

However, that time has passed and over the past several months it seems the communication on the difficulties faced by the Negotiating Committee in trying to meld two sets a cultures and contractual languages has not been effectively shared. That has caused frustration levels, within the Membership, to rise.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have always maintained the TWU should have been better prepared as we waited for the NMB to certify the Association. It turned out they waited until after the certification to finally get together with the IAM in order to work through this very difficult process. We are now paying for some of that wasted time as these negotiations will undoubtedly drag on into the foreseeable future (unless the Company drops a take it or leave proposal and moving this process into Section 6 in 2018 if not accepted)

However, that time has passed and over the past several months it seems the communication on the difficulties faced by the Negotiating Committee in trying to meld two sets a cultures and contractual languages has not been effectively shared. That has caused frustration levels, within the Membership, to rise.

I have always maintained that I was angry and resentful when Jim Little was ousted by Harry Lombardo and my mortal enemy Alex Garcia and because of those people I lost my promised position as the new TWU information man and the over $100,000 per year salary that was going to come with that. I was a complete team player for Jim and passed on and supported any and all things he wanted me to sell to the members.

I was even looking for a home in Hurst Texas and had a FB page ready with my new address. I had made a TWU FB page as well and an internet page to share all of Jim, Tim Gillespie, and Bobby Gless's agendas to the membership no matter what I personally thought about them. I wholeheartedly supported the idea of being purchased by the CWA and was a MAJOR proponent of selling the IAM/TWU Employee Association to all of you.

Currently since I'm now persona non grata with the new TWU leadership I am supporting a group out of NYC called Progressive Action who has a member who has publicly stated if TWU Local 100 President John Samuelson calls a strike against the MTA he and his team will "scab" against the Union and cross that picket line.

I'm trying my best though to make sure no one can with documentation tie me to them because I don't want to face any more charges against the TWU Constitution then I'm currently facing at this moment. If something does come of it I need to be prepared to paint a horrible picture of the TWU Leaders even more than I currently try to do on social media.

Happy New Year.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Lets add scope to this mix, we all know its coming but no talks about it. Below is a list of stations with daily flight count, along with different scope scenarios and the effect on the membership, hardest hit LUS.

 

[WeAAsles]

Lets add scope to this mix, we all know its coming but no talks about it. Below is a list of stations with daily flight count, along with different scope scenarios and the effect on the membership, hardest hit LUS.

Bob you need to get that resume in to corporate. You're a bean counter extraordinaire.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

I think the RDU numbers for mainline flights is off, Bob. WAY off.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I think the RDU numbers for mainline flights is off, Bob. WAY off.

Nope, this is a take off from the list

I think the RDU numbers for mainline flights is off, Bob. WAY off.

Nope the level of staff is a direct take-off from the Javits list.
And the number of flights is taken from saber.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Nope, this is a take off from the list

Nope the level of staff is a direct take-off from the Javits list.
And the number of flights is taken from saber.

Staffing is right but the mainline numbers aren't right. You looking at today's schedule? RDU has way more mainline flights on weekdays. Weekends many flights are regionals.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

While I don't have the time, energy or even answers to debate your position or change your mind, I respect both your opinion and the civility you deliver it with. As long as we can agree to disagree and respect each others view and/or opinion, I'm good with that. HAPPY NEW YEAR!

That goes for you as well CremaDiLimone.

no worries. we've all been through the wringer together and we all want the same industry leading contract that drastically sets us apart from all the rest.

happy new year.