JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

And just what do you mean by bags full of gold, explain yourself.

He was being facetious Bob. Living in LAX he needs Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money.

Living in LAX compared to MIA the dude would need to make $15,000 per year more than me to live the same lifestyle.

And around $26,000 more than what you make there in DFW.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

And to Mr CremaDiLimone, I would actually have to ask you what planet you live on if you think the negative comments here directed at the "Ass" are in error. If you like getting lied to, if you like a system being setup where conflict will always be an issue, if you like a negotiation pace reflecting snails speed,
and if you like an organization formed to protect the money grab for it's top earners under the cover "it's in your best interest" or "power in numbers" verbiage, then it's obvious, you are from the Association planet.

Now, to you both, nothing short of an industry leading contract for both the IAM and TWU members will help the Association gain traction in many of it's members eyes, especially on the AA side. But at the current pace, I'm damn sure not gonna hold my breath.

- aanotok: you may know more than me in regards to alleged infighting and/or money grabs with the association. what i totally disagree with is the snail's pace of negotiations.

since retro pay is not legislated, which corporation has any incentive to bargain in a timely manner? the company's negotiators are laughing on the golf course when unions members grumble and blame the union for slow negotiations. in fact, it appears as though corporate america has succeeded in erasing the term 'retro pay' from the american vocabulary.

the laws have changed in this country. everything and anything the union can do to show irritation and 'speed up the process' is considered a job action and millions in fines will be showered upon the twu - we remember the pilots' union and the great sick-out of some 20 years ago. calling in sick cost them $45.5 million.

you are correct about all the money we have lost. corporate BK law has no provision that a corporation that files for BK and emerges from BK stronger and healthier, has absolutely zero obligation to soldier on with it's pensions. that is no mistake nor oversight. that was purposely omitted...and when corporate america can ghostwrite the law, it takes full advantage. this is what most unions have to deal with in 2016. it's not 1956.

personally, i saw american shave $1,000 a month off my pension. originally, american wanted to terminate my pension. then american wanted to make nice with the govt., and they froze the pensions. we got lucky (if american files under w. bush, those pensions are loooong gone) that the govt. made a stink and american bent and gave in.

you brought up shift differential. .51 an hour is $1,000 a year. 2003 to 2017 is 14 years. we lost $14k just in shift differential. going forward, i will lose $12,000 a year for every year i live after i retire. say i'm lucky and live 25 years...the company denied me $300,000.

the same guys laughing on the golf course are laughing again. don't blame the union for the overall disappointment(s).

 

[WeAAsles]

I have to go with personally looking at items such as this report. And no I'm absolutely not implying that we shouldn't strive to want even more or posting this is any secret discovery that our company isn't fully aware of either.

But it should at least keep us just a little bit grounded, sensible and maybe even a little reasonable?

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/wkyeng.pdf

 

[bob@las-AA]

He was being facetious Bob. Living in LAX he needs Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money.

Living in LAX compared to MIA the dude would need to make $15,000 per year more than me to live the same lifestyle.

And around $26,000 more than what you make there in DFW.

But if he/she were with LUS and in LAX before the party began, that big fat raise I guess still has little effect, then its time for that person to move.

 

[AANOTOK]

While I don't have the time, energy or even answers to debate your position or change your mind, I respect both your opinion and the civility you deliver it with. As long as we can agree to disagree and respect each others view and/or opinion, I'm good with that. HAPPY NEW YEAR!

That goes for you as well CremaDiLimone.

 

[WeAAsles]

But if he/she were with LUS and in LAX before the party began, that big fat raise I guess still has little effect, then its time for that person to move.

I've never liked or agreed with that line that someone should move if they want more. Some places in the US the cost of living is more because they offer more.

The only place that I ever visited even forget about living in NYC that compared was Dublin. Fantastically cultural city.

Honestly when people around the World are asked to name the best cities in the World, places like Dallas, Tulsa, Charlotte probably won't even crack the top 20.

Los Angeles didn't really fit my personal criteria either but I can see why people want to live in California overall. Absolutely stunning when you take some of those scenic drives out of the city.

Dallas isn't even in the guide.

http://www.timeout.com/travel/features/362/the-worlds-greatest-cityr

 

[Albert]

I've never liked or agreed with that line that someone should move if they want more. Some places in the US the cost of living is more because they offer more.

The only place that I ever visited even forget about living in NYC that compared was Dublin. Fantastically cultural city.

Honestly when people around the World are asked to name the best cities in the World, places like Dallas, Tulsa, Charlotte probably won't even crack the top 20.

Los Angeles didn't really fit my personal criteria either but I can see why people want to live in California overall. Absolutely stunning when you take some of those scenic drives out of the city.

Dallas isn't even in the guide.

http://www.timeout.com/travel/features/362/the-worlds-greatest-cityr

What it is Weez is people have to stop saying "this is what we had" the world is different and so is the industry. It will never go back to the good old days. all we can do now is compare ourselves with the other large airlines and see how our contract will stack up. DL with its ready reserve and LUV with its work rules seem to be more efficient than us, don't they? I never been to DUB but my ancestors the Vikings visited and settled there so I,m sure there is some "culture" there. Heck I'm probably related to half the city.

 

[WeAAsles]

What it is Weez is people have to stop saying "this is what we had" the world is different and so is the industry. It will never go back to the good old days. all we can do now is compare ourselves with the other large airlines and see how our contract will stack up. DL with its ready reserve and LUV with its work rules seem to be more efficient than us, don't they? I never been to DUB but my ancestors the Vikings visited and settled there so I,m sure there is some "culture" there. Heck I'm probably related to half the city.

Al I guess you can tell I'm just not a fan of constantly looking in the rear view. You keep looking in that mirror and eventually you smack your car right into a freakin tree.

Think I got some of that Scandinavian blood in me too? I'm 6'1 and the average Irish guy ain't that tall.

And before you ask yea I'm lovin the new Stang. I was listening to the new Deep Purple song the other day on the way into work and I looked down and was at 100 MPH. I'm having difficulty controlling myself on that gas pedal.

Happy New Year. ( And all Forums cats too )

 

[Albert]

Al I guess you can tell I'm just not a fan of constantly looking in the rear view. You keep looking in that mirror and eventually you smack your car right into a freakin tree.

Think I got some of that Scandinavian blood in me too? I'm 6'1 and the average Irish guy ain't that tall.

And before you ask yea I'm lovin the new Stang. I was listening to the new Deep Purple song the other day on the way into work and I looked down and was at 100 MPH. I'm having difficulty controlling myself on that gas pedal.

Happy New Year. ( And all Forums cats too )

The only ticket I ever got was because of Van Halen but the judge wouldn't go for it and gave me 4 points . Happy New Year to all

 

[bob@las-AA]

What it is Weez is people have to stop saying "this is what we had" the world is different and so is the industry. It will never go back to the good old days. all we can do now is compare ourselves with the other large airlines and see how our contract will stack up. DL with its ready reserve and LUV with its work rules seem to be more efficient than us, don't they? I never been to DUB but my ancestors the Vikings visited and settled there so I,m sure there is some "culture" there. Heck I'm probably related to half the city.

Through the process of in-breeding?

 

[WeAAsles]

Through the process of in-breading?

I never knew that Al makes Bread? Did Al use to be a Himalayan monk in a past life?

Breeding Bob. Not breading. Jeez.

 

[Albert]

Through the process of in-breading?

I would imagine in a Viking raid anything is possible.

 

[Albert]

I never knew that Al makes Bread? Did Al use to be a Himalayan monk in a past life?

Breeding Bob. Not breading. Jeez.

What would inbreading be bread crumbs and your favorite spices?

 

[WeAAsles]

What would inbreading be bread crumbs and your favorite spices?

Maybe he meant stuffing a bird? Bob must have gotten his wires crossed again. ( I'm smelling smoke)

 

[bob@las-AA]

I never knew that Al makes Bread? Did Al use to be a Himalayan monk in a past life?

Breeding Bob. Not breading. Jeez.

I never knew that Al makes Bread? Did Al use to be a Himalayan monk in a past life?

Breeding Bob. Not breading. Jeez.

hate this stupid iPhone keyboard!!!!