JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[CremaDiLimone]

I think the negotiations are going to be very difficult. The Association itself is very difficult. The job losses over the years total is really alarming and needs to be addressed. Lots of displaced people very unhappy with the lack of progress made thus far. The pay increase was substantial but after all the years of pain it does not make up for it for most of the people I know. I'm sure all people on this forum know this business is feast or famine. You better get it while the gettin is good or you will be forever pissed off at the missed opportunity. I hope the union leaders really start thinking about that.

no doubt, the negotiations have been very difficult. my opinion is that this will wrap up sooner than later. i say this because now we are at the nitty-gritty..pay & benefits. the blueprint/roadmap is right there, both sides know what ua & dl pay. i can't see one party stepping out of line and wasting time with: we want a top rate of $39 fsc/$42 c/c or the company offering top rates of $33.50/$35.56.

i don't want c/c to 'work', because this is only a backdoor way to cut manpower..gates will lose 1 man off a crew...jobs cut all over.

if the company insists on this, i don't want the association to make a stand on this issue, but we have to get something substantial in return. let's see just how bad the company wants this - does this mean a $1.50 more an hour for fsc to the company or an additional 2 weeks vc? just how bad does the company want this?

i also want the association to make a stand on freight. i realize this issue is irrelevant to smaller stations, but believe me, guys with 35-40 years at the freight house would have no qualms transferring to a warm weather city if the company contracts out freight. one way out of this is the company offering a generous buy-out. we can't count on this and what is generous to the company is not generous to most employees.

if the company insists on contracting out freight, this is the stand to make in regards to working regional flights. top pay at eagle/envoy is a few dollars more than aa's starting pay, it's time aa lost the 'cost effective' verbiage for envoy. they also cost the company money in terms of burned bags, delays and poor PR/DOT stats. sorry, just didn't work out for our top execs, the cheap labor...you do get what you pay for.

i believe american offered us a ridiculously meager profit sharing plan last year to alleviate the moans and groans over it's 17% bonuses to level 5s and above. we're on pace for apprx. $280-$300 million in the kitty, which is only 1/5 of what delta paid out to it's employees. we'll see if the company is ok with making profit sharing contractual.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I have always maintained that I was angry and resentful when Jim Little was ousted by Harry Lombardo and my mortal enemy Alex Garcia and because of those people I lost my promised position as the new TWU information man and the over $100,000 per year salary that was going to come with that. I was a complete team player for Jim and passed on and supported any and all things he wanted me to sell to the members.

I was even looking for a home in Hurst Texas and had a FB page ready with my new address. I had made a TWU FB page as well and an internet page to share all of Jim, Tim Gillespie, and Bobby Gless's agendas to the membership no matter what I personally thought about them. I wholeheartedly supported the idea of being purchased by the CWA and was a MAJOR proponent of selling the IAM/TWU Employee Association to all of you.

Currently since I'm now persona non grata with the new TWU leadership I am supporting a group out of NYC called Progressive Action who has a member who has publicly stated if TWU Local 100 President John Samuelson calls a strike against the MTA he and his team will "scab" against the Union and cross that picket line.

I'm trying my best though to make sure no one can with documentation tie me to them because I don't want to face any more charges against the TWU Constitution then I'm currently facing at this moment. If something does come of it I need to be prepared to paint a horrible picture of the TWU Leaders even more than I currently try to do on social media.

Happy New Year.

So you are a UNION lackey that was promised a position by his handler.

Old news, at least to me. I always knew you had an end game behind your propaganda.

You really are a piece of work WeAAsles.

Thank you for verifying every suspicion I ever had about you.

 

[Albert]

Nope, this is a take off from the list

Nope the level of staff is a direct take-off from the Javits list.
And the number of flights is taken from saber.

Bob your way off with LGA flight numbers you must have a short somewhere.

 

[Traymark]

Lets add scope to this mix, we all know its coming but no talks about it. Below is a list of stations with daily flight count, along with different scope scenarios and the effect on the membership, hardest hit LUS.

Bob,
Good list , and discussion point.
A Scope of 30 ( where I believe the company wants to go) will leave 15 stations staffed.
I can see the JCBA taking longer than most think to settle.

 

[NYer]

The Scope in the TWU CBA is based on an annual look back for total departures.

Currently, ATL shows 5377 ( rounding up to about 15 daily)....and RDU shows 4448 (about 12 daily)

 

[WeAAsles]

So you are a UNION lackey that was promised a position by his handler.

Old news, at least to me. I always knew you had an end game behind your propaganda.

You really are a piece of work WeAAsles.

Thank you for verifying every suspicion I ever had about you.

I was writing in the third person. No one would be dumb enough to write that about themselves. And someone not recognizing that has to be at least a partial nit wit.

Thank you for confirming what I've always known about you though.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob your way off with LGA flight numbers you must have a short somewhere.

Someone else was claiming the same thing, but this is from DECS.
RGG LGA/ALL/02JAN
Try to pick the day you have the most flights. Give it a try.
And you can't include express flight, just mainline.
I will agree that it will be +- a flight or two because of a cancellation, but its all at your finger tips.

On a side note, I did include the E190s, Back before 2008, American Eagle could only fly 6% of Americans mainline air-miles, and couldn't fly more than 600 nm per leg to feed the mainline passengers. And for a added bonus ( i.e bone-us), Eagle was allowed to fly to and from smaller stations, for seasonal, and or for a more longer stay, all without having to add extra head count at that station. Today, Eagle, or rather Envoy, can fly any place they choose and without any restrictions. So in theory, Envoy could over-run mainline flights with the larger aircraft the have and push out mainline in any station station, because Envoy don't count for number of flights per day.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I was writing in the third person. No one would be dumb enough to write that about themselves. And someone not recognizing that has to be at least a partial nit wit.

Thank you for confirming what I've always known about you though.

I find it VERY useful to just not respond.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

The Scope in the TWU CBA is based on an annual look back for total departures.

Currently, ATL shows 5377 ( rounding up to about 15 daily)....and RDU shows 4448 (about 12 daily)

Jan 4. Wednesday.
RDU - LHR 1 x 767 (LAA)
RDU - LGA 2 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - PHL 3 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - CLT 2 x 321 (LUS) 5 x 319 (LUS)
RDU - MIA 4 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - ORD 2 x MD80 (LAA) 1 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - DFW 2 x 737 (LAA) 3 x MD80 (LAA)
RDU - LAX 1 x 319 (LUS)

26 mainline flights on a non-holiday weekday. The schedule at RDU is dictated by primarily business travelers. I think Bob did a sample from Jan 1. A weekend and a major holiday.

Jan 7. Saturday.
RDU - LHR 1 x 767 (LAA)
RDU - LGA No mainline.
RDU - PHL 3 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - CLT 1 x 321 (LUS) 1 x 319 (LUS) 2 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - MIA 4 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - CUN 1 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - ORD 1 x MD80 (LAA) 1 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - DFW 2 x 737 (LAA) 3 x MD80 (LAA)
RDU - LAX No flight.

20 mainline flights on a non-holiday Saturday.

Jan 8. Sunday.
RDU - LHR 1 x 767 (LAA)
RDU - LGA 1 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - PHL 4 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - CLT 4 x 319 (LUS) 1 x 321 (LUS)
RDU - MIA 4 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - ORD 3 x MD80 (LAA)
RDU - DFW 2 x 737 (LAA) 3 x MD80 (LAA)
RDU - LAX 1 x 319 (LUS)

24 mainline flights on a non-holiday Sunday.

Definitely not 6 LAA mainline flights as stated in Bob's PDF and definitely not 12 daily flights as you listed. RDU is a bustling market. Busy little bees. Take in mind that the old LUS and LAA sides are on opposite ends of the terminal. If one flies in from CLT and is connecting to LHR they will walk the Green Mile. LUS fleet service crews work LUS metal and American Eagle fleet service work LAA metal. All the LAA mainline fleet service guys were furloughed.

 

[WeAAsles]

I find it VERY useful to just not respond.

Arrgh. I fell into the trap again.

Thank you Bob.

 

[Albert]

Bob,
Good list , and discussion point.
A Scope of 30 ( where I believe the company wants to go) will leave 15 stations staffed.
I can see the JCBA taking longer than most think to settle.

30? you do realize that on the LUS side the scope is 1 flight. If they insist on 30 or even 20 I'd say see you in 2018. Look for it to be between 8-14 with some grandfathering

 

[NYer]

Jan 4. Wednesday.
RDU - LHR 1 x 767 (LAA)
RDU - LGA 2 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - PHL 3 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - CLT 2 x 321 (LUS) 5 x 319 (LUS)
RDU - MIA 4 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - ORD 2 x MD80 (LAA) 1 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - DFW 2 x 737 (LAA) 3 x MD80 (LAA)
RDU - LAX 1 x 319 (LUS)

26 mainline flights on a non-holiday weekday. The schedule at RDU is dictated by primarily business travelers. I think Bob did a sample from Jan 1. A weekend and a major holiday.

Jan 7. Saturday.
RDU - LHR 1 x 767 (LAA)
RDU - LGA No mainline.
RDU - PHL 3 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - CLT 1 x 321 (LUS) 1 x 319 (LUS) 2 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - MIA 4 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - CUN 1 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - ORD 1 x MD80 (LAA) 1 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - DFW 2 x 737 (LAA) 3 x MD80 (LAA)
RDU - LAX No flight.

20 mainline flights on a non-holiday Saturday.

Jan 8. Sunday.
RDU - LHR 1 x 767 (LAA)
RDU - LGA 1 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - PHL 4 x E190 (LUS)
RDU - CLT 4 x 319 (LUS) 1 x 321 (LUS)
RDU - MIA 4 x 737 (LAA)
RDU - ORD 3 x MD80 (LAA)
RDU - DFW 2 x 737 (LAA) 3 x MD80 (LAA)
RDU - LAX 1 x 319 (LUS)

24 mainline flights on a non-holiday Sunday.

Definitely not 6 LAA mainline flights as stated in Bob's PDF and definitely not 12 daily flights as you listed. RDU is a bustling market. Busy little bees. Take in mind that the old LUS and LAA sides are on opposite ends of the terminal. If one flies in from CLT and is connecting to LHR they will walk the Green Mile. LUS fleet service crews work LUS metal and American Eagle fleet service work LAA metal. All the LAA mainline fleet service guys were furloughed.

The 12 posted was just LAA and it is an average of the annual departures which is the basis of the LAA-TWU Scope language. The current Scope language also does not include any regional flights, it is strictly mainline departures.

 

[NYer]

30? you do realize that on the LUS side the scope is 1 flight. If they insist on 30 or even 20 I'd say see you in 2018. Look for it to be between 8-14 with some grandfathering

Hopefully, you're correct. However, "see you in 2018" may not be a good option for the TWU side as that would further threaten another 2 or 3 stations for TWU Members.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

The 12 posted was just LAA and it is an average of the annual departures which is the basis of the LAA-TWU Scope language. The current Scope language also does not include any regional flights, it is strictly mainline departures.

I'm aware that regionals don't count. That's why I didn't include them. Include those and you have a very busy station.

 

[Albert]

Hopefully, you're correct. However, "see you in 2018" may not be a good option for the TWU side as that would further threaten another 2 or 3 stations for TWU Members.

Look at (RGG) EWR they are now 100% AA metal yet it is staffed by LUS fleet agents with the LAA agents on the bottom due to interim agreement. It makes you scratch your head