Industrial vs. Craft

[DNTULSA]

Why don't you attend a Local union meeting where serious issues may be addressed Buck? I happen to like smiley faces. Especially using them here where nothing matters, where nothing of significance gets resolved, just whining and crying goes on here and it cracks me up.... :blink:

If important union matters are being discussed, and you attempt to add your opinion, all you are going to hear is; "you're out of order, brother!"

hss you certainly are a twu suckee.

 

[High Speed Steel]

If important union matters are being discussed, and you attempt to add your opinion, all you are going to hear is; "you're out of order, brother!"

hss you certainly are a twu suckee.

Suckee? No. Even Stewart says the TWU has worked well for him via his statement from KOTV...see below



Stewart said lately the environment has grown dark, but "working there, it's been a good job. l haven't left, you know, it's been a good provider."

 

[TWU informer]

Suckee? No. Even Stewart says the TWU has worked well for him via his statement from KOTV...see below

Stewart said lately the environment has grown dark, but "working there, it's been a good job. l haven't left, you know, it's been a good provider."

Just like TWU contract language. It doesn't really say what any TWU supporter claims it says.
Keep spinning and twisting though, you might catch some ignorant fool into your web of deceit.

No wonder card drives happen like the change of season.

What is your answer to the reason the TWU director of organizing McCann and nobody else in the TWU ever has a negative thing to say about the Teamsters "raiding" the TWU? Why is that?

 

[Buck]

Why don't you attend a Local union meeting where serious issues may be addressed Buck? I happen to like smiley faces. Especially using them here where nothing matters, where nothing of significance gets resolved, just whining and crying goes on here and it cracks me up.... :blink:

Attend a TWU meeting where serious issues may be address. I spent my first few years attending the good old boys club, plying for democratic change. Change is something that the club isn't ready for. Instead of changing gradually, when it comes it be large. Will the leadership of the TWU be ready? You go to a meeting make motion and before it can be heard you are placed out of order. Has it changed over the years, not unless the union has changed its constitution. And is the TWU's constitution, because it does not belong to the membership.

Tell me how the TWU is going to stop the Teamsters:

 

[High Speed Steel]

Just like TWU contract language. It doesn't really say what any TWU supporter claims it says.
Keep spinning and twisting though, you might catch some ignorant fool into your web of deceit.

No wonder card drives happen like the change of season.

What is your answer to the reason the TWU director of organizing McCann and nobody else in the TWU ever has a negative thing to say about the Teamsters "raiding" the TWU? Why is that?

Already got the fool. Funny how you love it there and have never left. If I were the company reading what you stated to KOTV then why should they change their status quo? Even if you were to become successful in bringing in the AMFA they could treat you the same and you would be happy. You love it and you know it, and the TWU made it happen for you...

Just can't get over your quote......as shown below

Stewart said lately the environment has grown dark, but "working there, it's been a good job. l haven't left, you know, it's been a good provider."

 

[Buck]

Suckee? No. Even Stewart says the TWU has worked well for him via his statement from KOTV...see below



Stewart said lately the environment has grown dark, but "working there, it's been a good job. l haven't left, you know, it's been a good provider."

It is obvious that you cannot function without the TWU. Since it is American Airlines that employs us, why is it you have not been fired? If I were your employer, I would fire you for attendance.

 

[Buck]

Already got the fool. Funny how you love it there and have never left. If I were the company reading what you stated to KOTV then why should they change their status quo? Even if you were to become successful in bringing in the AMFA they could treat you the same and you would be happy. You love it and you know it, and the TWU made it happen for you...

Just can't get over your quote......as shown below

Stewart said lately the environment has grown dark, but "working there, it's been a good job. l haven't left, you know, it's been a good provider."

I don't see the TWU anywhere in your quote.

 

[odie01]

Already got the fool. Funny how you love it there and have never left. If I were the company reading what you stated to KOTV then why should they change their status quo? Even if you were to become successful in bringing in the AMFA they could treat you the same and you would be happy. You love it and you know it, and the TWU made it happen for you...

Just can't get over your quote......as shown below

Stewart said lately the environment has grown dark, but "working there, it's been a good job. l haven't left, you know, it's been a good provider."

Hey Chris,
Is that all you got! Very weak!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Hey Chris,
Is that all you got! Very weak!

Odie, go sit in the truck.... B)

 

[767 mechanic]

How could anyone have listened to those current and previous Teamsters members spelling out the facts and how they organized UAL using members with lifetime recall rights while promising them their jobs back that were lost in Bankruptcy, and the other numerous lies used, and still walk out of there supporting the Teamsters? I have another word for that mentality, but "not very observant" is the civil way to say it.

Did you LISTEN? Or just there with your mind and ears closed the dialogue?

I have to agree with you the ibt is a silent partner with the twu and they are trying to scam the membership the same as the twu has done in the past. The ibt trys to tell everybody that they want to be only a mechanics union. Which is a bunch of crap. All you have to do is google teamsters legalized marijuana and you will find out that the reamsters organized the pot growers in California.

 

[Buck]

Odie, go sit in the truck.... B)

This sitting in the truck isn't that what the Teamsters do?

 

[Raptorman49]

OK, but you could go around to all those you had sign Teamsters card, tell them the truth that you heard, and suggest that they be sure to hear both sides of the debate before making their decision. You know as well I as do that once a real and strong man hears the truth he knows he has heard it. And when a man has heard an uncorrected lie, then our entire membership and profession becomes weaker, not stronger.

To sit back and not go correct any lies or misrepresentations that were made to you and that you made to others is not being the man you claim to be, or that I took a stand and told everyone who I thought you were when you first started posting here and they began attacking you.

Be a man and try to correct any mistakes you have made, and then continue to stand by those that you have confirmed to be true.

You actually have more influence than most right now, to change the direction of the support for AMFA, but it would require you to correct any mistakes you have made, and reverse any lies that you have told regarding the Teamsters, me, or the support for AMFA at the Tulsa base.

In other words, it is your move, and your post indicates to me that you intend to sit on the sidelines and not help either side. That is sad, if that is your intention. It takes a bigger man to correct a wrong, than to commit a wrong.

Ok Dave I'll make you a deal you can choose to accept it or not your choice, The ONLY thing I have been telling anyone about AMFA or the Teamsters is that from my perception (and many others too) it appears that the Teamsters have a lot more support in Tulsa than AMFA because they wear Teamster buttons, Lanyards etc. no shirts yet, if you want me & many others to believe that AMFA has support in Tulsa then prove it by setting an example by proudly wearing your AMFA shirt & encouraging your fellow Organizers to do the same, If the organizers start wearing their then supporters will see that & follow that lead & start wearing theirs as well & before you know it AMFA will have presence in Tulsa once again & people will visually see that there is support for AMFA in Tulsa & just like the Teamster drive that enthusiasm will multiply pumping people up & making them believe that AMFA has a chance, If I visually see that AMFA has a chance like I see with the Teamsters then I too will start believing that AMFA has a chance & start telling people that AMFA does have a chance, I will even go on record in the Tulsa world, As I said Dave it's your choice, as long as it visually appears to me that the Teamsters are strong in Tulsa & AMFA is weak then I will continue to believe exactly that, appearance is everything in 2003 I spent a lot of my own money buying AMFA shirts for people because I knew that & everyday I saw more & more AMFA shirts being worn at the base & people getting excited about it, I was getting excited about it ! I rarely see anyone wearing AMFA these days not even you their head organizer in Tulsa ..... it's sad, If you want my attitude to change then you know what it will take ramp up the visualization to get me & others excited again, then proudly stand in front of the base in force wearing your shirts someday & holding AMFA signs like we did in 2003, Dave Lead the Revolution by example wear your colors.
I wear a Teamster button because I enjoy the comradery of running into fellow Teamster supporters that I don't know showing their support by wearing their buttons etc. & talking to them about the drive, no point in wearing an AMFA shirt because no one else does.

 

[Raptorman49]

Is there any limit to your worship of evil?

Once again,
What is your answer to the reason the TWU director of organizing McCann and nobody else in the TWU ever has a negative thing to say about the Teamsters "raiding" the TWU? Why is that?

Because their afraid of the Teamsters in my opinion but their not afraid of AMFA & I suspect some of them might actually want the Teamsters over the TWU.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Already got the fool. Funny how you love it there and have never left. If I were the company reading what you stated to KOTV then why should they change their status quo? Even if you were to become successful in bringing in the AMFA they could treat you the same and you would be happy. You love it and you know it, and the TWU made it happen for you...

Just can't get over your quote......as shown below

Stewart said lately the environment has grown dark, but "working there, it's been a good job. l haven't left, you know, it's been a good provider."

The TWU is progressively dismantling what made it a good job/provider for us all!!

 

[Raptorman49]

Just an observation...

I notice that in the majority of your posts you seem to go out of the way to say in one way or the other this....



Now while you may have never "said" it, what you do say/infer about AMFA is in itself just as telling.

For example, I have yet to read a post of yours where you refer to the ibt as sarcastically as you have AMFA ....for instance, your refering to AMFA as a "panacea" or the "Holy grail of Unions"

Your continued attempts to pass yourself off as a neutral just looking to remove the TWU are a bit disingenuous.

I am kind of neutral in the sense that I pay the Union to get me decent contracts & that's it, they serve no other purpose for me, since this 6 year contract is the last contract I will see neither Union will be able to do anything to help me at this point, in 2003 I had many years left so obviously that made a difference, my main motivation in revenge for past wrongs, either the Teamsters or AMFA can settle that score quite nicely, so my support goes to the competing Union that appears to actually have a chance of getting the cards, start wearing your shirt & change the appearance & you will see me & others have renewed hope that AMFA has a chance .... your choice.