Industrial vs. Craft

[whoop whoop]

I am not sure that either list proves any points. Both your first post and this one are factual. I just do not care for your organization. Apparently, from what I am reading, it will be up to your co-workers to decide what will be best for them. You asked for a list and I responded. Let the points add up at that time, shall we?

I am sure both lists prove a very important point. They prove under the ibt, nothing will change for the AA A&P. It will be the TWU over again, but WORSE.

It proves being in AMFA, they will have control over their own futures and direction.

And thank you for stating my post was factual, I wish I could return the compliment, but sadly I can't

AMFA at ALL airlines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[whoop whoop]

I believe the answer is somewhere above 18,000 mechanics.

Teamsters represent more aircraft mechanics than any other Union.

Can you explain how you came up with 18,000 mechanics?? My calculations add up to about 12,000 TOPS...
All figures are estimates
UPS = 1,000
UAL = 8,500
Horizon = 400
Frontier = 400
Expressjet = 600

GRAND TOTAL = 10,9000. I think you overestimated a little, LOL.

I did not count Airtran as they will be AMFA soon. And happy about it from what I hear.

I do give you credit, you do consistently speak exaggerations and half truths in true ibt fashion.

 

[whoop whoop]

I only know about Obama. Whoop whoop has been a Teamster for 14 proud years . Why not ask him?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

That's a good one. You are a funny person, I will give you that. "PROUD" is not a word I would use of my representation by the ibt.

You can ask me anything you want, I will answer truthfully without spin. Something it seems you nor your ibt buddies can do.

 

[TWU informer]

After Winning Election, Hoffa Targets Teamsters’ Right to Vote

December 28, 2011




In the wake of the November Teamster election, top officials are calling for stripping members of their right to vote for president and international executive board. Photo: Teamsters for a Democratic Union.


In the wake of the November Teamster election, top officials are calling for stripping members of their right to vote for president and international officers.


Read More Here:
http://labornotes.org/2011/12/after-winning-election-hoffa-targets-teamsters%E2%80%99-right-vote

 

[Frank Szabo]

After Winning Election, Hoffa Targets Teamsters’ Right to Vote

December 28, 2011




In the wake of the November Teamster election, top officials are calling for stripping members of their right to vote for president and international executive board. Photo: Teamsters for a Democratic Union.


In the wake of the November Teamster election, top officials are calling for stripping members of their right to vote for president and international officers.


Read More Here:
http://labornotes.org/2011/12/after-winning-election-hoffa-targets-teamsters%E2%80%99-right-vote

Not surprising - the general feeling I get from those higher up the food chain is that we, those who pay their salaries, are not capable of thinking for ourselves - "all are equal, but some are more equal than others." - Animal Farm is a good book re: explaining human nature, ie, greed.

 

[Buck]

I only know about Obama. Whoop whoop has been a Teamster for 14 proud years . Why not ask him?

Because I asked you. There was no need to try and push any frustration off on another user of this forum.

 

[TWU informer]

Mechanics and related employees at Southwest Airlines and subsidiary AirTran Airways have voted in favor of an agreement on integrating the two carriers’ seniority lists, the unions representing those employees said Thursday.
The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, which represents Southwest’s employees, said 874 of its members voted in favor and 424 voted against, with six abstentions. That’s a 65%-35% margin.
We don’t yet have the comparable numbers from AirTran mechanics and related employees, represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.
The deals included a commitment from Southwest Airlines on when it would start a fourth line of heavy maintenance at the Dallas maintenance base alongside Dallas Love Field.
Also passing were letters of agreement covering 401(k) and Denver maintenance and covering tech support mechanics.
AMFA said it was “proud to announce” the results.

“In this seniority agreement, a single list of both airlines’ represented Mechanics and Related employees has been created allowing them the freedom to exercise their seniority with no further restrictions,” AMFA said.​

 

[Anomaly]

Can you explain how you came up with 18,000 mechanics?? My calculations add up to about 12,000 TOPS...
All figures are estimates
UPS = 1,000
UAL = 8,500
Horizon = 400
Frontier = 400
Expressjet = 600

GRAND TOTAL = 10,9000. I think you overestimated a little, LOL.

I did not count Airtran as they will be AMFA soon. And happy about it from what I hear.

I do give you credit, you do consistently speak exaggerations and half truths in true ibt fashion.

According to the Teamster Airline Division web site, the companies represented are listed below. The 1800 was a number I had seen on the TAMC web site. While the site does not appear to be active, with some minor search, I was able to find reference to the 18,000 total.

AirTran Airlines
ASIG
ASIG -Guam
Atlantic Southeast Airlines
Continental Airlines
Continental Micronesia
Frontier
NetJets
United Airlines
UPS
Horizon Air
ExpressJet
Piedmont

This site has not been updated it seems and I will give you the subtraction of Air Tran and Frontier. I do not believe that either company had significant numbers (a few hundred). Frontier I believe was purchased by Republic and their Teamster membership is unclear.

 

[Buck]

It would seem to the AA airline mechanic at TUL that the reason that the Teamsters are there is unknown.

 

[Anomaly]

Ask anyone at SFO who these guys are. Ask Rich if you want. Are you man enough to do that?

Here is a quote from a USA Today article,

http://www.usatoday....mechanics_N.htm

Tiberi said mechanics came to the IAM and asked for the chance to switch.

"A group of mechanics from United Airlines came to our headquarters in Maryland and asked us to help them launch this campaign. These are people who supported the IAM in the past, they are former representatives from AMFA, and there are some current Teamster" representatives in the group, he said.

Another one from another web site.

http://cal-ualmechanics.com

Now instead of saying, "where are they" or "when is" we ask you, "what are you going to do"? It's no longer up to a handful of individuals to drive this need for change, it's up to the work group as a whole to make that decision by becoming active by asking questions and holding this union responsible. By signing a AMFA card or a IAM card. Yes, we said IAM card. It's no longer about which union but ridding ourselves of a union who dictates to the membership. It's time to send the IBT packing. Like SWA did. Like Horizon Air is doing and soon, AirTran will do.

The about us page has changed. In the past it explained how they were ex-AMFA representatives who approached the IAM. I wish this was all BS, but it is what it is. IAM and AMFA teamed up to try to get reid of the IBT.

Another from the same Mechanics for Change web site you posted.

http://www.mechanics...ke_action.shtml

Former IAM and AMFA mechanics have joined together to establish our own District and Locals on the property at UAL. We will return to the AFL-CIO with the IAMAW and re-establish our own Locals in SFO DEN, ORD and IAD.
These new Locals will be democratically controlled by the Mechanics and Related from United Airlines.

One more. This one even accurately suggests that AMFA officially considered merging.

http://labornet.org/...ction=read&id=2

(Read this one carefully.)

A July 10, 2007, letter from the IAM General Vice President Robert Roach, Jr. to all UAL mechanics described a recent meeting to discuss affiliation with AMFA national leaders in which "we did not set any preconditions or limitations, but instead asked your leaders to develop and propose whatever they felt would be the most beneficial to their membership. There was no pressure and the IAM hopes it will ultimately result in United Mechanic & Related employees returning to the Machinists Union."

"I urge you to contact your leadership because now is the time to have discussions with the IAM regarding an affiliation that would conclude with you voting on a proposal. This must begin quickly because your right to union representation is being threatened."

In fact, AMFA seriously explored this possibility, but the talks eventually bogged down.

While almost all AMFA leaders are willing to admit isolating mechanics from the larger more powerful AFL-CIO unions was a catastrophic blunder, there is still lots of resistance among UAL mechanics to admitting the closely-related error that it was a mistake to leave the IAM, still the largest union at UAL and in the airline industry.

As a result, AMFA explored affiliation with other unions in the AFL-CIO, but all turned AMFA back around to the IAM in the name of labor solidarity as codified in Article XX of the AFL-CIO constitution that forbids unions raiding each other.

Or, like I said before, just ask any UAL mechanic at SFO.

xUT? No answer? Gotcha.

As silly as it is, the IAM and AMFA have in fact joined forces here in SFO. Sad, but true.

 

[TWU informer]

xUT? No answer? Gotcha.

As silly as it is, the IAM and AMFA have in fact joined forces here in SFO. Sad, but true.

Can I assume that all your non-answers are the same gotcha?

It is easy to line up and sling mud.

 

[Anomaly]

Can I assume that all your non-answers are the same gotcha?

It is easy to line up and sling mud.

If you want? Some of your rants, imperialist this zealot that, are just to weird for me to get wrapped around. I have no answer for many of your posts. Sorry bout that. You all do seem very disturbed that someone is willing to stand up to you. I find that hilarious.
Gotcha...

 

[TWU informer]

If you want? Some of your rants, imperialist this zealot that, are just to weird for me to get wrapped around. I have no answer for many of your posts. Sorry bout that. You all do seem very disturbed that someone is willing to stand up to you. I find that hilarious.
Gotcha...

I enjoy the debate, and the day it is exposed the true intentions of the Teamsters being at AA is the day the it will all be worth it.

What is hilarious is someone thinks hiding behind and alias debating on a internet is the definition of "standing up". Another anomaly/teamsters classic! It's that awesome teamsters strength and power at work for the good of everyone?

 

[iluvaa]

If you want? Some of your rants, imperialist this zealot that, are just to weird for me to get wrapped around. I have no answer for many of your posts. Sorry bout that. You all do seem very disturbed that someone is willing to stand up to you. I find that hilarious.
Gotcha...

Wow anomaly you have been on here for a little more than 2 weeks and have over 120 post on one topic and yet you still say that your just here to give your opinion. well I believe you a common liar and are a teamsters rep. you would have a hell of alot more credibility if you would just admit it. you are no different then the TWU officers that come on here pretending to just be a common worker. If you people feel so strongly about what you say just be honest about who you are. I might even listen to what you have to say but when its so obvious you are lying about that I cant listen to a thing you say. honesty goes along way

 

[DNTULSA]

Anomoly: what did the union (which one, I don't know) promise you to come over here and finger dance?