Industrial vs. Craft

[Raptorman49]

I am not sure I understand your point related to a welder and your apparent confusion on the definition of skilled worker.

There are Department of Labor Standards and National Mediation Board Standards regarding definitions of skilled workers, but these are Federal Government Standards. The one standard that I go by the most is how often an A&P Licensed Mechanic brings me either his broken tool/wrench or his custom tool/wrench and/or his G-Job from home and wants me to fix/weld it for them. Why don't they just weld it themselves? Why would a skilled A&P seek the services of the unskilled welder?

Orville, Wilbur, and Charley built and flew an Airplane long before the Federal Government A&P even existed. not just built mind you, but also flew it without a licences.

Another not so glorious truth is that every non-licensed Machinist and Welder that is surplused on the Tulsa base has gone to the hangar, did our job without a license, and to my knowledge not one has failed to successfully do the job correctly and many times, better than the hack he/she replaced that had a license.

Please explain in more detail your confusion, and I will try to clear it up for you.

Maybe they don't weld it themselves because they don't have a Welder (machine) at home & are not authorized to use AA welders, whereas you ARE authorized to use AA welders. If AA welders would let me use their equipment when I needed something welded I surely would.

 

[TWU informer]

Maybe they don't weld it themselves because they don't have a Welder (machine) at home & are not authorized to use AA welders, whereas you ARE authorized to use AA welders. If AA welders would let me use their equipment when I needed something welded I surely would.

Well they could always go pay the market rate of the unskilled welder to fix their material. you speak as if there are any rules of accountability that are enforced. No you are just spinning the facts.

Did Orville, Wilbur, or Charles Taylor have a license? No
Did they build and fly the first Aircraft without a license? Yes

Does the license make you an expert in Aircraft Maintenance? No

 

[Raptorman49]

Well they could always go pay the market rate of the unskilled welder to fix their material.

Yes but having a Welder buddy at work who will do it for Free is always better than paying. B)

 

[TWU informer]

Yes but having a Welder buddy at work who will do it for Free is always better than paying. B)

Come on over to my shop next week, we have some test plates of both stainless and aluminum.
I have a hood, a machine, and a video camera on my phone.

No rules, just you and me. We will place your A&P license in the video to show what a great welder you really are.

Did Orville, Wilbur, or Charles Taylor have a license? No
Did they build and fly the first Aircraft without a license? Yes

Does the license make you an expert in Aircraft Maintenance? No

 

[Raptorman49]

I have to admit I too have often wondered why a Welder would be so Passionate about a Mechanics Unions, AMFA is mostly about A&P Mechanics in my opinion which as an A&P Mechanic i'm all for that.

 

[Raptorman49]

Come on over to my shop next week, we have some test plates of both stainless and aluminum.
I have a hood, a machine, and a video camera on my phone.

No rules, just you and me. We will place your A&P license in the video to show what a great welder you really are.

Dude if your allowing people to use your Machine then that's great, next time someone asks you to weld their G Job just tell them their welcome to use your Machine & most likely they will take your offer.

 

[TWU informer]

I have to admit I too have often wondered why a Welder would be so Passionate about a Mechanics Unions, AMFA is mostly about A&P Mechanics in my opinion which as an A&P Mechanic i'm all for that.

You have no clue again....

Article III
Members
Section I – Divisions of Membership
There shall be two divisions of membership:

Airline Technical Division – shall include all
licensed and unlicensed maintenance personnel who
work or instruct directly on aircraft and/or components
of a certificated air carrier and are responsible
for the airworthiness or workmanship of the aircraft
and/or its components. This includes maintenance
support technicians and related personnel as defined
by the National Mediation Board’s determination of
the Mechanics and Related Class and Craft.


Aviation Technical Division – shall include all
licensed and unlicensed maintenance personnel who
work directly on general aviation aircraft and/or
components and are responsible for the airworthiness
and workmanship of an aircraft and/or its
components. This includes line, shop, and hangar
maintenance.

 

[Raptorman49]

Come on over to my shop next week, we have some test plates of both stainless and aluminum.
I have a hood, a machine, and a video camera on my phone.

No rules, just you and me. We will place your A&P license in the video to show what a great welder you really are.

Did Orville, Wilbur, or Charles Taylor have a license? No
Did they build and fly the first Aircraft without a license? Yes

Does the license make you an expert in Aircraft Maintenance? No

In fact next time I need to weld something I will take you up on your offer, I'm not an expert since I don't weld on a daily basis & practice makes perfect but can do well enough to suit my needs.

 

[TWU informer]

Dude if your allowing people to use your Machine then that's great, next time someone asks you to weld their G Job just tell them their welcome to use your Machine & most likely they will take your offer.

We do that on occassion for some fun, they leave and go to the next weld shop.

 

[TWU informer]

In fact next time I need to weld something I will take you up on your offer, I'm not an expert since I don't weld on a daily basis & practice makes perfect but can do well enough to suit my needs.

Like I said, next week, my shop, aluminum with a video.

No need to wait, I have test plates, no harm there.

 

[Raptorman49]

You have no clue again....

Article III
Members
Section I – Divisions of Membership
There shall be two divisions of membership:

Airline Technical Division – shall include all
licensed and unlicensed maintenance personnel who
work or instruct directly on aircraft and/or components
of a certificated air carrier and are responsible
for the airworthiness or workmanship of the aircraft
and/or its components. This includes maintenance
support technicians and related personnel as defined
by the National Mediation Board’s determination of
the Mechanics and Related Class and Craft.


Aviation Technical Division – shall include all
licensed and unlicensed maintenance personnel who
work directly on general aviation aircraft and/or
components and are responsible for the airworthiness
and workmanship of an aircraft and/or its
components. This includes line, shop, and hangar
maintenance.

Not talking about AMFA legal definition Dave, I'm talking about attitude.

 

[TWU informer]

Not talking about AMFA legal definition Dave, I'm talking about attitude.

There you go again speaking for everyone.
Your attitude? Or one of the 100 card signers for Teamsters?

Again, did Orville Wright, Wilbur Wright, or Charles Taylor have an A&P License?
No

How the hell did they BUILD and FLY the first Aircraft then?

 

[Raptorman49]

I for one as an A&P Mechanic am only interested in A&P Mechanics which is why I would make a terrible officer, I would negotiate a big raise for A&P Mechanics & wouldn't put much effort into getting a raise for anyone who wasn't one.
As a Welder you wouldn't want me as an Officer negotiating your contract. B)

 

[Raptorman49]

There you go again speaking for everyone.
Your attitude? Or one of the 100 card signers for Teamsters?

Again, did Orville Wright, Wilbur Wright, or Charles Taylor have an A&P License?
No

How the hell did they build and fly the first Aircraft then?

Yes my attitude but I have talked to many Mechanics that have the "perception" that AMFA only cares about A&P Mechanics, I have never actually been an AMFA member so couldn't say whether the perception is real or Imagined.

 

[TWU informer]

I for one as an A&P Mechanic am only interested in A&P Mechanics which is why I would make a terrible officer, I would negotiate a big raise for A&P Mechanics & wouldn't put much effort into getting a raise for anyone who wasn't one.
As a Welder you wouldn't want me as an Officer negotiating your contract. B)

And yet you pass out Teamsters cards? Where you would be the minority in the Airline Division and the Entire Union Membership.

Damn that is a good one!!!