Industrial vs. Craft

[ThirdSeatHero]

Raiders, Not Union Builders

And yet AGAIN another oh-so-typical example of teamster hypocrisy.

You decry independents yet here are the teamsters-independent themselves-aiding another start up independent union,USAPA by way of an alliance. USAPA, who was also represented by Seham Seham Meltz & Petersen, erodes an AFL-CIO union, ALPA to the detriment of the pilots.

http://www.teamster....ategic-alliance

So when AMFA mechancis hire Seham....thats bad.

But when USAPA pilots hire Seham .....thats okay we'll cut alliances with them

The flagrant hypocrisy continues

 

[TWU informer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Y4V7WadbI

 

[Buck]

Since you believe that a welder has caused the end of your socialistic grip on the unionism of this country, please relate to me how Reagan illegally fired anyone?

The lack of support from fellow unions contributed to said firing. Industrial Unionism has seen it's day at American Airlines.

 

[Realityck]

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SSM&P helped bring the B-scale into the industry and, while representing unions, lost cases that gravely undermined your right to strike and negotiate. They have been fired by the APA and the PFAA, and over the past five years, the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA), their primary labor client, has been reduced from 17,000 to approximately 3,000 dues-paying members. Simply put, SSM&P's record in no way supports its claim to your trust.



Thanks for the reminder. I knew Seham was fired by the Allied Pilots Association but I forgot the exact reason why. I also remember the AMFA’s Director (Delle) protested the firing and the APA told him to get lost.




From the Seham law firm? Nice. Isn't that the firm that bragged about bringing in the B scale for the AA pilots in the 80s? 


Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.


As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in one of the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency.

—Martin C. Seham

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[TWU informer]

[background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]SSM&P helped bring the B-scale into the industry and, while representing unions, lost cases that gravely undermined your right to strike and negotiate. They have been fired by the APA and the PFAA, and over the past five years, the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA), their primary labor client, has been reduced from 17,000 to approximately 3,000 dues-paying members. Simply put, SSM&P's record in no way supports its claim to your trust.
Thanks for the reminder. I knew Seham was fired by the Allied Pilots Association but I forgot the exact reason why. I also remember the AMFA’s Director (Delle) protested the firing and the APA told him to get lost.

From the Seham law firm? Nice. Isn't that the firm that bragged about bringing in the B scale for the AA pilots in the 80s? 


Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.


As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in one of the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency.

—Martin C. Seham[/background]

Well Realityck, if a lawyer or a law firm has the power to appove and implement a labor agreement, given your fear of our current situation, why hasn't the TWU asked Sharon Levine to approve and implement this Last Best Offer version 2?

Hmmmm, maybe you are reaching blaming a Law Firm for a concession.

Reality means nothing to you, though.

In other words, if this Crap passes, we will forever blame Sharon Levine for making it happen?

 

[Anomaly]

Well Realityck, if a lawyer or a law firm has the power to appove and implement a labor agreement, given your fear of our current situation, why hasn't the TWU asked Sharon Levine to approve and implement this Last Best Offer version 2?

Hmmmm, maybe you are reaching blaming a Law Firm for a concession.

Reality means nothing to you, though.

In other words, if this Crap passes, we will forever blame Sharon Levine for making it happen?

What about Kevin McCormick? He was not a lawyer and altered more than one AMFA contract WITHOUT a vote. AMFA left many important decisions to a self proclaimed independent union organizing real estate agent.

 

[TWU informer]

What about Kevin McCormick? He was not a lawyer and altered more than one AMFA contract WITHOUT a vote. AMFA left many important decisions to a self proclaimed independent union organizing real estate agent.

You still don't get it. The Membership makes up AMFA and Finance Advisors, Lawyers, ect can be hired and fired.

You are wasting your time trying to find someone to attack to cover the fact that a minority work group in a majority rule organization will also feel less than treated fairly.

But hey, go on with your personal attacks of individuals, it makes for more reading.

 

[TWU informer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PZPpWTRTU

 

[Buck]

Who is Gary Drummond ?

I have been asked this question several times.

Kevin McCormick, do you really want to bring up the B-Scale? Some of us lived it, it does not matter who or where it started the TWU implemented it.

 

[xUT]

Raiders, Not Union Builders

Issue 11

A Publication of the Air Line Pilots Association, Intl.​

April 15, 2008 ​

Another OP ED piece.
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[xUT]

[font=Helvetica Neue'][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]SSM&P helped bring the B-scale into the industry and, while representing unions, lost cases that gravely undermined your right to strike and negotiate. They have been fired by the APA and the PFAA, and over the past five years, the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA), their primary labor client, has been reduced from 17,000 to approximately 3,000 dues-paying members. Simply put, SSM&P's record in no way supports its claim to your trust.



Thanks for the reminder. I knew Seham was fired by the Allied Pilots Association but I forgot the exact reason why. I also remember the AMFA’s Director (Delle) protested the firing and the APA told him to get lost.




From the Seham law firm? Nice. Isn't that the firm that bragged about bringing in the B scale for the AA pilots in the 80s? 


Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.


As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in one of the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency.

—Martin C. Seham[/background][/font]

You have a link or you just making chit up?
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[xUT]

And yet AGAIN another oh-so-typical example of teamster hypocrisy.

You decry independents yet here are the teamsters-independent themselves-aiding another start up independent union,USAPA by way of an alliance. USAPA, who was also represented by Seham Seham Meltz & Petersen, erodes an AFL-CIO union, ALPA to the detriment of the pilots.

http://www.teamster....ategic-alliance

So when AMFA mechancis hire Seham....thats bad.

But when USAPA pilots hire Seham .....thats okay we'll cut alliances with them

The flagrant hypocrisy continues

Give the old razzle dazzle, suckers fall for it over and over.
B) xUT

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Give the old razzle dazzle, suckers fall for it over and over.
B) xUT

+1 xUT

LMAO

 

[Anomaly]

Never mind. I was going to find and upload a video where a seated President of the United States was speaking on behalf of AMFA, but there is none. Why would any Democratic leader speak on a unit who's sole intent is to destroy real Union power? This, after all, is AMFA's mission. An "independent association' formed to weaken our class and craft. Those who say otherwise are part of the deception.

 

[Anomaly]

James Hoffa speaks of the IBT and TWU partnership.
June 2012 video the same month the IBT started a "raid" on their partner at AA?
Really?

Watch Video
http://www.amfa-aa.c...l-2012.VOB_.mp4

Meawhile Captain Bourne has to make public statement that the "Drive is Real"?

What or Who are you suppose to believe?

Do you really want to be represented by Liars?

Do you really want to be represented by group that does not want your skill? AMFA is for Aircraft Line Mechanics only. They do not want you. At Alaska and Southwest they have seen to it that most or all the back shops have been closed down and they now represent Line Mechanics. Look at their publication, The Grapevine as proof.

In the airline industry, unions are made up of members of a particular craft and class, which is determined by
the National Mediation Board (NMB). Industrial unions will represent any and all crafts. On the other hand,
there are craft unions, like AMFA, that will represent only a specific craft and are focused on the needs of their
specific members.

As an Aircraft Mechanic, there is no better choice for a Union than AMFA!

They want Aircraft Mechanics, NOT welders.

TWU Informer, what is it that you do again? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?