If they are On Board, write em up

[28L_or_10R?]

I follow SOP's when operating an aircraft. If there were no standard operating procedures then the flight deck would be chaos. Are you suggesting that there should be not such policies at a base? Do you really think sweeping concerns under the carpet is a good idea? I want clarificatiion on exaclty where I can stand on the ramp. If there has been a sudden change in ramp procedures, I want to know about it.

Did I say any of this? I just put up a picture of a little girl wagging her finger saying "no one likes a tattle-tale".

What I do say is that there is an integral part of the America West culture that condones snitching. Pilots especially have no qualms about tattling on other unionized workgroups. I was reported in PHX once because a pilot didn't appreciate the look on my face when I waved him off.

The other day, an Airbus crew came into my gate with the reverse thrusters on. Dirt and debris was blowing everywhere blinding everyone on the ground and he ended up being stopped short on the line. I could have reported them... but I didn't. Crews don't turn off the apu after I hook up power and air. There is a sign in our break room telling us to report offenders of this procedure to station management. Do I tattle on these crews? No.

 

[Crzipilot]

I could be wrong, but most airports control access to the SIDA area of their domain. As many people have mentioned here. I pilot is not required to have a SIDA badge to be on the ramp, as LONG as they are in the shadow of the aircraft. yes I have seen pilots get fined for being on a ramp and not near their airplane. Smaller airport, and TSA and airport police got involved, but every airport which I have sat through their security class. If you are a pilot in uniform, and your plane is there, then you can be on the ramp in it's shadow. If your airplane isn't there, you shouldn't be on the ramp. Maybe suggest calling CLT airport security department and ask them for their clarification, as they are the ones responsible for their SIDA area....

 

[nic4us]

Yeah, good thing for you there aren't any pilots out there looking for work. I mean to replace someone as awesome as you, no way. You deserve that 3 to 1 seniority. You're my hero.

Okay...I guess this thread is not a joke. At least to ole "Lucky Charms", who has obviously been eating his "magically delicious" marshmellow orange stars and green clovers. Hey Leprechaun, there is this poster here named 767one, he likes to fly to Dublin. I suggest you get on one of his flights, sit your junior arse down in a quaint little pub, leave the sugar coated cereal behind and discover a couple of pints Guinness. If you do not like it, there is also this miracle of Irish art and ingenuity called Jameson.

For the rest of you...my $.02.

In 25 years of airline flying, I have never written up a co-worker, always seemed like a dumb way to bring attention to myself. Further, in over 35 years of airplane flying, the occasional inquiry into my identity and purpose on a ramp has never been an issue.

So.. that being said...

If a ramp "team lead" or "supervisor" or whatever we are calling them this year told me to get off "his ramp"....simple solution....I get off his ramp!!

If he wants to get into a pissing match with me over some stupid "on board" issue, I teach him a lesson about the bladder capabilities of a guy who drinks a grande Starbuck's, then sits on a flight deck for four hours with the airstream noise eerily similar to the sound of running water, and unleash a Katrina sized yellow stream the likes of which would surprise the most experienced urologist!!

No need to write up anybody. Maybe he would like to help me and the station manager pick up all the FOD from "his ramp" that he failed to maintain properly. Sweeping a ramp is not beneath me, being a team player, I would be glad to help clean "his ramp". Then we could look into the condition of "his" ramp equiptment, and try to determine how it got into such a state under "his" watch.

But, before we go too far...doesn't it just seem easier to get off "his ramp"????

 

[nic4us]

There is no "turf war" going on between the west pilots and clt rampers. If someone got yelled at it was probably because they were trying to be heard over a screaming engine.

I know most of the rampers in clt and they are a very nice bunch of men and women. But they have a job to do also.

The thing I have always found fascinating about rampers is the immense diversity of backgrounds. Some are just out of highschool, having picked up a job throwing bags to make college money. Others are people with designs on an airline career, and took the job to get in the door. While others may have come off the deck of a carrier and know more about ramp operations and safety than the rest of the station combined.

It is probably the last group that saves the others rears and maintains a good safety record in the most dangerous place at an airline.

 

[snapthis]

Did I say any of this? I just put up a picture of a little girl wagging her finger saying "no one likes a tattle-tale".

What I do say is that there is an integral part of the America West culture that condones snitching. Pilots especially have no qualms about tattling on other unionized workgroups. I was reported in PHX once because a pilot didn't appreciate the look on my face when I waved him off.

The other day, an Airbus crew came into my gate with the reverse thrusters on. Dirt and debris was blowing everywhere blinding everyone on the ground and he ended up being stopped short on the line. I could have reported them... but I didn't. Crews don't turn off the apu after I hook up power and air. There is a sign in our break room telling us to report offenders of this procedure to station management. Do I tattle on these crews? No.

What kind of message were you trying to send to Cactus? Explain that. America West culture of snitching? I am a member of a so-called union created and vote in by the EAST to steal my job by any means possible. That includes trying to get my fellow pilots fired by any means possible. In fact, they are hoping they get three pilots fired as I write this note. I've spent over a thousand dollars defending our pilots (Cactus 18) against a fake union created by the EAST.

It's one thing to get hassled by these bozos, it's another thing to get harassed while trying to get a job done. The evidence shows there may be a sympathetic co-worker to the poor mistreated East pilots. I don't think an East pilot would put up with this kind of BS in Phoenix.

So really, who is the snitch?

 

[crazystnic]

Okay...I guess this thread is not a joke. At least to ole "Lucky Charms", who has obviously been eating his "magically delicious" marshmellow orange stars and green clovers. Hey Leprechaun, there is this poster here named 767one, he likes to fly to Dublin. I suggest you get on one of his flights, sit your junior arse down in a quaint little pub, leave the sugar coated cereal behind and discover a couple of pints Guinness. If you do not like it, there is also this miracle of Irish art and ingenuity called Jameson.

For the rest of you...my $.02.

In 25 years of airline flying, I have never written up a co-worker, always seemed like a dumb way to bring attention to myself. Further, in over 35 years of airplane flying, the occasional inquiry into my identity and purpose on a ramp has never been an issue.

So.. that being said...

If a ramp "team lead" or "supervisor" or whatever we are calling them this year told me to get off "his ramp"....simple solution....I get off his ramp!!

If he wants to get into a pissing match with me over some stupid "on board" issue, I teach him a lesson about the bladder capabilities of a guy who drinks a grande Starbuck's, then sits on a flight deck for four hours with the airstream noise eerily similar to the sound of running water, and unleash a Katrina sized yellow stream the likes of which would surprise the most experienced urologist!!

No need to write up anybody. Maybe he would like to help me and the station manager pick up all the FOD from "his ramp" that he failed to maintain properly. Sweeping a ramp is not beneath me, being a team player, I would be glad to help clean "his ramp". Then we could look into the condition of "his" ramp equiptment, and try to determine how it got into such a state under "his" watch.



But, before we go too far...doesn't it just seem easier to get off "his ramp"????

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not too often I agree with you so just thought I would point that out. Have a good weekend.

 

[luvthe9]

We've had people fined for NOT challenging people on the ramp. The poster is correct. Pilots are only allowed around the footprint of the aircraft to accomplish a preflight inspection.

Driver B)

Not in phl. Look at the badge. You have access to all doors and ramp areas indicated on the badge.

 

[luvthe9]

The thing I have always found fascinating about rampers is the immense diversity of backgrounds. Some are just out of highschool, having picked up a job throwing bags to make college money. Others are people with designs on an airline career, and took the job to get in the door. While others may have come off the deck of a carrier and know more about ramp operations and safety than the rest of the station combined.

It is probably the last group that saves the others rears and maintains a good safety record in the most dangerous place at an airline.

Have you been to phl lately?

 

[Jester]

The thing I have always found fascinating about rampers is the immense diversity of backgrounds. Some are just out of highschool, having picked up a job throwing bags to make college money. Others are people with designs on an airline career, and took the job to get in the door. While others may have come off the deck of a carrier and know more about ramp operations and safety than the rest of the station combined.

It is probably the last group that saves the others rears and maintains a good safety record in the most dangerous place at an airline.

I have said it many times on this board, the background of the ramp crews are extremely diverse, as I have mashed bags with university professors, management consultants, lawyers, nurses, high school teachers, economists, accountants, design engineers, and even guys who barely made it through high school. I think there has been an intelligence level which has kept the ramp operations relatively safe.

So Recalls Jester.

 

[luvthe9]

What kind of message were you trying to send to Cactus? Explain that. America West culture of snitching? I am a member of a so-called union created and vote in by the EAST to steal my job by any means possible. That includes trying to get my fellow pilots fired by any means possible. In fact, they are hoping they get three pilots fired as I write this note. I've spent over a thousand dollars defending our pilots (Cactus 18) against a fake union created by the EAST.

It's one thing to get hassled by these bozos, it's another thing to get harassed while trying to get a job done. The evidence shows there may be a sympathetic co-worker to the poor mistreated East pilots. I don't think an East pilot would put up with this kind of BS in Phoenix.

So really, who is the snitch?

What a crybaby!

 

[Hope777]

Bottom line, you don't have the authority to interfere with my pre-flight duties or risk having to explain your actions to HQ in Tempe, AZ.

Where did anyone say you cant do a walk around ? You are NOT allowed on the ramp without your aircraft present. Plain and simple, just ask the TSA security inspectors. If you have a SIDA badge for that airport, then you are free to walk around where ever you would like.

 

[Art at ISP]

Art:
IMHO this isn't a West or East issue it was simply the ramp doing their job. As LD3 has pointed out Clt is "under the gun" right now on security issues. Wouldn't have matter if pilot was East or West for all I know the ramp crew didn't even know. No SIDA badge no ramp access. I don't think any of us are willing to risk having our badges pulled for a violation.

Harry, I agree that the initial issue was not east/west, however there were those who posted who tried to make it such.......which just shows that some are going to try to hijack ANY issue into being about east/west.....

I remain truly disappointed and surprised that the rational posts did not appear until recently today........which further makes my original point...doesn't ANYONE think that the energy spent on all the posturing, chest thumping, anger and vitriol could be better spent??? Or are you all so fed up that you're resigned to the fact that it's never going to work?

My BEST to you all.

 

[A320 Driver]

I've gone down to ops and never had a problem with an aircraft not present. I've never had a problem at an East or West base. Never had a cross word with an East crew. This one burns me up though.

We need clarification of this issue before it spins out of control.

The last time someone was caught by the Feds doing that, it cost them 2 grand. If you have a couple of grand lying around, I'm sure you can find something better to do with it than give it to the FAA. If you do not have an airport specific badge, do not leave the footprint of the aircraft.

Driver B)

 

[nic4us]

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not too often I agree with you so just thought I would point that out. Have a good weekend.

Yeah..but that was easy......everybody agrees.....Guinness is goooood!!!!

 

[Black Swan]

I have said it many times on this board, the background of the ramp crews are extremely diverse, as I have mashed bags with university professors, management consultants, lawyers, nurses, high school teachers, economists, accountants, design engineers, and even guys who barely made it through high school. I think there has been an intelligence level which has kept the ramp operations relatively safe.

So Recalls Jester.

This thread is brought on by someone just stirring up trouble. The ramp people in clt are great. Always have been. I have never experienced anything like
this ever. I just miss chasing Harvey Horn with a 73 when he walked from b to c after passing through the gate for employees over where delta is now. That, was fun