If they are On Board, write em up

[Crzipilot]

Snapthis, it's real simple, and those that have worked on ramps and different airports in different capacities have been pretty much trained the same with the same information. In fact, if you look inside your information you may find what people are alluding to.

You with your company ID, as a pilot, in uniform, are allowed to be in the vicinity of the company aircraft (I.E. within the shadow of the plane) If you, as a pilot are not in the shadow of your plane, AND you don't have one of the approved forms of ID granting SIDA AOA access, you are to be challenged and requested to remove yourself from the area.

They are not, as you allude to, interfering with a crew member and his duties, as there isn't an aircraft there for you to fly, or to walk around. The ground crew are simply fulfilling their obligation as Covered under CFR 49. As someone else stated, YOU may be the one subject to fine, being on the ramp when you are not authorized to be there. Oh and by the way, not every airport allows a pilot to indiscriminately be in the SIDA area with their aircraft, unescorted. Yup, kinda rare and usually temporary, but there have been situations where a pilot had to be escorted by SIDA bade employee in order to complete his preflight.....

Thanks for playing, now go study some more...

 

[snapthis]

snapthis (Itchy McSnitchy) and cactuspilot1 are apparently one and the same.

Yep, we know a geek when see one.

Geek

 

[Crzipilot]

I would imagine, if you keep this up, some ground crew might become more vigilant in their challenges of certain crew members. Besides if they catch sneaky pete, don't they get 50.00 or something? I know in MIA they do. I've even seen crew members get in trouble for not challenging those around his aircraft also. Sneaky FAA inspector hanging out on belt loader, watched said pilot walk around aircraft. Inspector climbed inside baggage bin etc etc, as pilot got done, he walked up and took his information down for action and fines. See FAA dude didn't have any ID displayed, and was playing with aircraft, and said pilot had to go defend himself to keep his access to the ramp (in the shadow of the plane) which in essence was he was defending himself for his job. For if he couldn't get on the ramp, he couldn't do his duties, You get the idea....

Does the West guys ever read?

 

[N965VJ]

Plain and simple, just ask the TSA security inspectors.

What, the same group of clowns that damaged the AOA probes of a dozen aircraft in ORD by climbing on them? I wouldn't trust them to give me the right time of day.

I remember you just after the arbitration award came out. Chest puffed out, "I'll never jerk the gear for someone hired prior to 1987" blah, blah.

/yawn

 

[Hope777]

What, the same group of clowns that damaged the AOA probes of a dozen aircraft in ORD by climbing on them? I wouldn't trust them to give me the right time of day.






/yawn

Well aware some of them are idiots, we have them in my station too. You and I both know that without an aircraft present, you cant be on the ramp without a SIDA ID from that airport. As far as walking to Operations, ever wonder WHY crews now get the paperwork for the flight UpStairs ?

 

[Black Swan]

Once again, go back and watch the PHX crew news. People are getting pretty fed up with your little job action. Care to tell us why 4 pilots were called in the office last week? I'll tell you why. It was a shot across the bow from the company. Your fake union does not even bother going through the proper process for a legal job action. Rules don't apply to Usapians that is the reason you find yourselves in court.

There are people sympathetic to Usapians slowing the operation down and inconveniencing our paying passengers. If my flight is delayed because of an illegal job action, I am not taking the fall. The reason for my delay goes in the report.

Gamble with your career but leave me out of your ILLEGAL job action.

You started out attacking the ramp in clt. Most of them have been there for yrs and are nice as can be. You must have copped an attitude. Next time have your attitude in check before you go out and cause trouble with them. If you were one of the loads in that video I understand why there was trouble.

 

[700UW]

Apparently the OP doesnt know the FARs and the law regarding ramp access. We have even had employees who have SIDA badges ticketed by the FAA for not having their SIDA badge on their outer most garment and on the upper portion of their body.

As a pilot you have no right to be on the ramp unless your doing your walk around the plane.

The ramp is a dangerous place and you dont need people out their that dont belong there.

Also its the FAA inspectors, not the TSA who patrol the ramp and give the tickets, not the TSA.

 

[Hope777]

D. FLIGHT CREWS

1. Flight crew members may, when wearing a valid ID as noted herein, dressed in the
full uniform of his/her company, and when performing the duties of their flight crew
assignment, have unescorted access to certain areas of the AOA or SIDA only:
a. To travel directly from the terminal building to the aircraft to which they are
assigned and/or,
b. to perform necessary assigned flight checks on an aircraft, but only while
remaining within 25 feet of that aircraft; and,
c. no unnecessary diversions are made when traveling as described in a. and b.
above.

 

[SparrowHawk]

D. FLIGHT CREWS

1. Flight crew members may, when wearing a valid ID as noted herein, dressed in the
full uniform of his/her company, and when performing the duties of their flight crew
assignment, have unescorted access to certain areas of the AOA or SIDA only:
a. To travel directly from the terminal building to the aircraft to which they are
assigned and/or,
b. to perform necessary assigned flight checks on an aircraft, but only while
remaining within 25 feet of that aircraft; and,
c. no unnecessary diversions are made when traveling as described in a. and b.
above.

Seems pretty clear to me and I only sell copiers,

 

[autofixer]

Seems pretty clear to me and I only sell copiers,

Info only: Unless you have an airport SIDA badge; many pilots in PHL and DCA do.

 

[700UW]

But each airport issues their own SIDA badge, so if you have a badge from PHL or DCA, it only gives you AOA access at the airport where the badge was issued.

 

[CactusPilot1]

snapthis (Itchy McSnitchy) and cactuspilot1 are apparently one and the same.

Nice try. I am also Fodase and the 1600 pilots who agree with me.

 

[nic4us]

As a pilot you have no right to be on the ramp unless your doing your walk around the plane.

I have to disagree.

Every airport in the system has some unique gate layout characteristic that makes a hard and fast rule inappropriate. What the norm is in CLT is completely different from DTW or SEA. If you regularly frequented all the different airports like the pilots do, you would have a better understanding of the minor issues involving crew ramp access.

Quick for instance, in LAS we are dropped by van from the hotel on the ramp at our assigned gate. What if the aircraft has not arrived yet? We are on the ramp, no escort, and no airplane, but there we are and we have not broken any rules.

There are a hundred and one reasons why I might be on the ramp without an airplane.

 

[FrankWasRight]

BOTTOM LINE : You are NOT allowed on the ramp unless the aircraft you are flying is AT THE GATE ! So have what ever hissy fit you want, but I would do the same thing and ask you to leave the ramp. If you made the choice not too, see what happens.

Really ? Call the TSA ! EVERY SWA flight I've ever seen has the F/O waiting on the ramp.

 

[700UW]

I have to disagree.

Every airport in the system has some unique gate layout characteristic that makes a hard and fast rule inappropriate. What the norm is in CLT is completely different from DTW or SEA. If you regularly frequented all the different airports like the pilots do, you would have a better understanding of the minor issues involving crew ramp access.

Quick for instance, in LAS we are dropped by van from the hotel on the ramp at our assigned gate. What if the aircraft has not arrived yet? We are on the ramp, no escort, and no airplane, but there we are and we have not broken any rules.

There are a hundred and one reasons why I might be on the ramp without an airplane.

The FAA will differ with you, hope777 provided that information.

D. FLIGHT CREWS

1. Flight crew members may, when wearing a valid ID as noted herein, dressed in the
full uniform of his/her company, and when performing the duties of their flight crew
assignment, have unescorted access to certain areas of the AOA or SIDA only:
a. To travel directly from the terminal building to the aircraft to which they are
assigned and/or,
b. to perform necessary assigned flight checks on an aircraft, but only while
remaining within 25 feet of that aircraft; and,
c. no unnecessary diversions are made when traveling as described in a. and b.
above.