If they are On Board, write em up

[ChockJockey]

The more you try to explain your liberal views the more you lose me. You actually support a terrorist organization like the IRA? I remember looking for a trash can at a train station in Liverpool, UK. I was told about the Irish terrorists would hide bombs in waste containers. Guess who their targets were.... Civilians. A terrorist is a terrorist, Muslim or Christian.

I don't associate with people like you in my private life and I don't care to speak with you outside a public forum. From what I have read on these boards I am beginning to think there is a lot more to this East-West divide than just US Airways.

Sparrow might have an inexplicable and unhealthy emotional attachment to US Airways but to classify him as a "liberal" would probably be grossly inaccurate.

Having a fondness for an organization is not tantamount to explicit support or approval of the most detestable methods it's used in the past to achieve its goals. If the Irish overall had chosen timidity to confrontation with the British they'd still be a domain of the crown. It would furthermore be inaccurate to imply that British police and paramilitary forces never targeted Irish civilians. Blanket condemnation of political violence is typical of those who most profit and comfort from the status quo, regardless of the human cost of maintaining it. Just sayin'...

The Malcolm X quote reminds of a Churchill one: You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.

The "what's more" to these boards is the lot of people that use them and their employer as a vehicle to vent their various frustrations, dissatisfactions and insecurities. It's cathartic and entertaining.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

My feelings are not easily hurt, Captain. Would you have tolerated being treated like this crewmember was? I just got back from a trip. Back to flying on the 13th. Thanks for the offer anyway Bob. Have a good trip.

When you get back to work on Monday, try not to be so antagonistic towards your fellow employees. Consider Monday as the beginning of a new life of not being a butthead.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The more you try to explain your liberal views the more you lose me. You actually support a terrorist organization like the IRA? I remember looking for a trash can at a train station in Liverpool, UK. I was told about the Irish terrorists would hide bombs in waste containers. Guess who their targets were.... Civilians. A terrorist is a terrorist, Muslim or Christian.

I don't associate with people like you in my private life and I don't care to speak with you outside a public forum. From what I have read on these boards I am beginning to think there is a lot more to this East-West divide than just US Airways.

First off ya moron I'm a registered Libertarian.

I openly and actively support Freedom & Liberty, No matter what our corrupt empire building Government says. Just remember if we did it your way we'd still be singing God Save the Queen! How do you think King George viewed George Washington? We are a nation founded by your definition of terrorists. You call the Irish Republican Army terrorist because your government told you they were. Look at 800 years of British exploitation and then decide. Boston Tea Party, Lexington & Concord, Declaration of Independence terrorist and treasonous acts one and all.

One man's terrorist is yet an others Freedom Fighter it just depends whose side you're on.

People like me? A man who believes in the US Constitution? A person who believes that rights are conferred by God and not Governments? A person who believes that When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty

So that means that you are an Atheist and a Communist??? Or did I miss something?


What's the difference between God and pilots? God doesn't think he's a pilot.



“They have nothing in their whole imperial arsenal that can break the spirit of one Irishman who doesn't want to be broken.” - Bobby Sands, Member of Parliament, Born March 9, 1954 – May 5,1981

Terrorists? I think not!

 

[Black Swan]

The more you try to explain your liberal views the more you lose me. You actually support a terrorist organization like the IRA? I remember looking for a trash can at a train station in Liverpool, UK. I was told about the Irish terrorists would hide bombs in waste containers. Guess who their targets were.... Civilians. A terrorist is a terrorist, Muslim or Christian.

I don't associate with people like you in my private life and I don't care to speak with you outside a public forum. From what I have read on these boards I am beginning to think there is a lot more to this East-West divide than just US Airways.

I am beginning to figure out why the guy had a problem on the ramp in CLT........

 

[flygirl74]

I am beginning to figure out why the guy had a problem on the ramp in CLT........

Doesn't the crybaby that started this thread watch TV? Ya know where that kid breached security in CLT and climbed into the wheel well of an airplane?? Then they found his mangled body scattered across the countryside?? Not only was it tragic, but an embarrasment to the CLT airport. So don't you think that there was a big pow wow with everybody and the message clear that NO ONE would breach security and everyone follow the rules to the letter?? Wonder if he drinks whole milk or 2% in that bottle....!!

 

[767one]

It's those pesky black helicopters Bob that you have to watch out for. The ones you can't hear. Ask Osama bin Laden about them.

SparrowHawk,

Uh, if it's ok with you I don't plan on seeing or asking Osama anything anytime soon. I also doubt that there will be cool beers served at Osama's current residence, in fact I doubt that there is even ice water in that place.


Regards,


Bob

 

[767one]

Really ? Call the TSA ! EVERY SWA flight I've ever seen has the F/O waiting on the ramp.

It's not fair to us SWA as an example because they have a unique relationship with everybody.


Regards,


Bob

 

[Harry Callahan]

snapthis:\I can't quite make you the offer that Bob did but if your trips bring you through Clt Mo-Fr after 1400 how about giving me a "heads up" & if I can get away we can talk this over over a cup of coffee.

 

[LD3]

Also its the FAA inspectors, not the TSA who patrol the ramp and give the tickets, not the TSA.

You've been gone a while have'nt you? Without getting into details your info is not quite correct....

 

[flybynite]

If you won't do your job, inconvenience and our passengers you are going to be written up. Remember that next time you are on board. You are not going to play games with our airline and get away with it. It is not going to be business as usual like it was at the old US Air. We are not going to put up with this type of non-sense.

I applaud this crew member for sending in a report. I hope few people will get to retire early after they get called in to explain their actions.

I'm getting tired of this "on board" non-sense.

Our inbound aircraft was delayed due to thunderstorms in the Charlotte area and eventually diverted. Our departure time kept getting delayed further and further.

After waiting around the terminal for over 2 hours, our aircraft was finally reported to be on the ground in CLT.

In an effort to expedite the turn of our aircraft and avoid further inconveniencing our 120+ passengers I proceeded down the jetway and on to the ramp to meet the plane as it arrived and get started on my pre-flight walk around.

Almost immediately upon setting foot on the ramp, a ramp agent (whom I assume was the ramp lead for that gate) approached me in what I interpreted as a hostile manner asking me what I was doing on the ramp. I informed him that I was there to meet the incoming plane and do my preflight duties.

As the aircraft approached the terminal area, he again approached me and asked me to leave "his" ramp. I was somewhat taken aback by this request and asked him to repeat. He informed me that he didn't want me in the way.

I offered to stand next to the terminal, some 40 feet away from the aircraft parking area to which he told me that he wanted me in the jetway and off the ramp so that I "would not be in the way of any of his crew" as they parked the aircraft.

I retreated back to the terminal. As a result, I was not able to re-gain access to the ramp until the onslaught of deplaning passengers were off the aircraft and out of the jetway. This caused a further delay of accomplishing my duties of pre-flight checking the aircraft.

Due to observing this behavior and the fact that my encounters with him had a borderline harassing and confrontational tone, I elected to report the incident to a supervisor.

In 12 years of working at America West/US Airways, I have never been asked to leave the ramp by a ramp agent.

In 12 years, any time I am present at the gate when the inbound aircraft approaches, I go down to the ramp to begin my walk around as soon as the engines are shut down in an effort to expedite the turn of the aircraft. There has NEVER been of question or problem of me proceeding in this fashion prior to this incident.

If there is a new policy in place that prohibits pilots from being on the ramp when an aircraft approaches the gate, it has not been brought to my attention. I request confirmation as to whether such a policy exists or is forthcoming.

Also, in both of my exchanges with this person, I felt that his behavior was aggressive, confrontational and borderline harassment and believe that further investigation might be warranted.
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Event report:

Due to a non-full flight, early departure and favorable winds, we arrived in Charlotte ahead of schedule in the early morning of June 7th.

We touched down in CLT 23 minutes ahead of schedule at 5:39 AM.

As we approached gate B4 we found the area to be blocked by cones. Inspection of ALL the other gates we could see revealed no cones blocking aircraft access to the J-line.

No rampers were present so we stopped short and waited. Eventually, rampers began moving around the gate area (very slowly) and none of them acknowledged that we were there. No hand signals were given.

At any given time there were 2 to 6 rampers present with no effort being made to move or communicate with us. At one point they all stood with their backs turned toward us and it looked like hands in pockets.

When one ramper removed the cones that were blocking us, another drove a tug and baggage carts across the J-line further blocking our progress.

We called operations to ask what was going on to which a voice replied "They are on board." We asked "What does that mean?" and the voice replied "They are on board for safety."

We do not know if the origin of the voice was from operations or another location.

In the end, we spent 9 minutes burning fuel while the rampers milled around, blocked, and stood with their backs toward us.

With all the flight information/tracking we employ in our operations and ACARS in-range communications I have no doubt that EVERYONE on the ground in CLT knew exactly when we would be there and were still not prepared when we arrived. In addition, they appeared to be intentionally delaying our arrival.

The behavior of the ramp personnel, operations personnel and potentially others on the radio was totally unprofessional and embarrassing. In addition, it caused the unnecessary waste of fuel.

Poor work ethics were exhibited by all ground personnel involved.

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Sorry....I've chosen to go back to the 1st post. Have to.

Okay Snap, was that your event report?

It's kind of difficult to figure out this post. It sounds like two different events.

Also, one seems to be an inbound red-eye and the other seems to be in the middle of the afternoon. Which one was yours? Please clarify.

Also, it seems as though you're trying to make a case against CLT rampers to prove your accusation that they are targeting west pilots in some manner.

And it seems as though your trying to pull them and CLT Ops into the middle of your pilot dispute. You might want to rethink that.

Also, if you've only been around here for 12 years....you still have some learning to do.

 

[snapthis]

First off ya moron I'm a registered Libertarian.

So that means that you are an Atheist and a Communist??? Or did I miss something?

What's the difference between God and pilots? God doesn't think he's a pilot.

Terrorists? I think not!

I just got back from a very good day on the golf course and seeing the city of Dallas win another championship. I come back and all hell has broken loose because I have offended IRABob's 5 fan club members. I'll leave out Chock Jockey and Captain Bob.

So, you are a registered Libertarian, huh? All that means to me is you think it's OK to smoke pot and take votes away from republicans. Well good for you, I guess you want 4 more years of Obama then, don't you.

Since I recognize the IRA as an extremist Catholic organization it makes me an athiest? You have a lot to learn Mr Big, copier sales person. I'm sorry but I get a chuckle out of your belief that selling copiers puts you in an elite status. When I was growing up in the 60's an airline pilot had a lot more status than a sales person or an union busting airways pilot.

The IRA tried to kill PM Margaret Thatcher. She stood up to these thugs you consider heroes. One of my favorites is, "The trouble with you (Bob) is that your spine does not reach your brain. My favorite: Defeat? I don't know the meaning of the word.

I have an equally low opinion of salesmen and telemarketers as you do of pilots.
Little did you know this pilot can operate a shredder.

Have a nice day, IRABob.

 

[ChockJockey]

People like me? A man who believes in the US Constitution? A person who believes that rights are conferred by God and not Governments? A person who believes that When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty

A person who believes that rights are conferred by God and not Governments?

rights are conferred by God

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Any sufficiently educated and empowered populace can well enough confer rights upon itself if it so chooses, it doesn't need any deity to arbitrarily decide for it when it deserves to have them. Tunisia? Egypt? Those people took it upon themselves to throw off tyranny and grasp liberty; that is to say, they earned their liberties through sacrifice and determination and I see no indication or evidence whatsoever of a divine gifting of rights.

The principles of the Declaration of Independence and the architecture of the Constitution are the culmination of over two millennia of political and philosophical thought. They were the result of highly-educated, highly intelligent and highly motivated individuals surveying the vastness of human experience in the Western world and formulating through study and debate and trial and error those forms and configurations of power that maximize stability and personal freedoms. To claim that these undertakings were the work of "divine inspiration" is to rob our Founding Fathers and this nation's founding generation of the credit they deserve for their wisdom and sacrifices respectively. Their revolutionary achievements were born from human hearts and human minds and human hands, not the fingertips of some vague otherworldly master.

I find it laughable to think that the same god who has through the centuries had no problem letting millions spend their lives in slavery, subjugation and ignorance suddenly thought it a good idea to formulate and bestow natural rights without bothering to put any mention of them in any of the versions of His living word on earth.

One must take care not to over-romanticize his political beliefs, lest he one day finds he's based his deepest convictions on fairy tale rhetoric...

 

[luvthe9]

I just got back from a very good day on the golf course and seeing the city of Dallas win another championship. I come back and all hell has broken loose because I have offended IRABob's 5 fan club members. I'll leave out Chock Jockey and Captain Bob.

So, you are a registered Libertarian, huh? All that means to me is you think it's OK to smoke pot and take votes away from republicans. Well good for you, I guess you want 4 more years of Obama then, don't you.

Since I recognize the IRA as an extremist Catholic organization it makes me an athiest? You have a lot to learn Mr Big, copier sales person. I'm sorry but I get a chuckle out of your belief that selling copiers puts you in an elite status. When I was growing up in the 60's an airline pilot had a lot more status than a sales person or an union busting airways pilot.

The IRA tried to kill PM Margaret Thatcher. She stood up to these thugs you consider heroes. One of my favorites is, "The trouble with you (Bob) is that your spine does not reach your brain. My favorite: Defeat? I don't know the meaning of the word.

I have an equally low opinion of salesmen and telemarketers as you do of pilots.
Little did you know this pilot can operate a shredder.

Have a nice day, IRABob.

Did you have a nice round with the judges you guys got to buy off on your crackpot Addington? That was some great right wing golf course justice you ginned up there. Fortunately Wake got a severe spanking when he bought off on your idea of "justice" Can't wait for the next effort to get teed up. That is some real, American justice there. You need to quit stealing peoples' identity information, and start acting like real Americans. And quit pissing off the nice people on the ramps everywhere. Especially Charlotte.

 

[CallawayGolf]

The principles of the Declaration of Independence and the architecture of the Constitution are the culmination of over two millennia of political and philosophical thought. They were the result of highly-educated, highly intelligent and highly motivated individuals surveying the vastness of human experience in the Western world and formulating through study and debate and trial and error those forms and configurations of power that maximize stability and personal freedoms. To claim that these undertakings were the work of "divine inspiration" is to rob our Founding Fathers and this nation's founding generation of the credit they deserve for their wisdom and sacrifices respectively. Their revolutionary achievements were born from human hearts and human minds and human hands, not the fingertips of some vague otherworldly master.

The founding father may disagree with you. Certainly a sampling of their quotes show otherwise. No one can deny that many of the founding fathers of the United States of America were men of deep religious convictions based in the Bible and their Christian faith in Jesus Christ. Of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, nearly half (24) held seminary or Bible school degrees.

John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

Thomas Jefferson (Deist)
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God?

John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."

--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

Samuel Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Father of the American Revolution

"And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."

--As Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.

James Madison
4th U.S. President

"Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ."

--America's Providential History, p. 93

Alexander Hamilton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.

John Jay
1st Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and President of the American Bible Society

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers. And it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

--John Jay to Jedidiah Morse February 28, 1797

 

[Dog Wonder]

Threads like this are what happens when people take themselves too seriously.