IBT/UAL contract rejection, what does it mean to us at AA?

[MetalMover]

Ever think that maybe it's because you complain so much that it's as if you think you have the worst life that anyone could ever have imagined on the face of the Earth?

It's a little pathetic if that's what you think. Man you have it so much better than so many others that they'd kill to have your little problems.

And you don't think YOU have it better than many others? 

 

[MetalMover]

Good. Carl is an expert at getting rid of overpaid mechanics. I'm going to send him an email asking for his help.

What about overpaid baggage handlers? Don't forget to include YOUR work group
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-e96m4730

 

[Traymark]

Both sides are screwing over the people that actually work for a living.
 
Both sides are getting paid off to pass the bills that allow the corporations to screw everybody else over.

The worst of it is, our own unions we pay to represent us, turn around and sell us down the river, funneling money to democrats and lobbyists and the only thing that gets better is all the jobs at the International.

Get ready to be bombarded again in the coming months with all the junk mail telling you who to vote for because they are " better for labor" , I find it insulting.

Somebody tell me what we got, besides a voting process for votes that no longer happen, for voting in all the "labor friendly" democrats.

We've gotten less then nothing.
The company is on year 3 now of multi Billion dollar profits and we remain at BK wages and benefits while our "very experienced" negotiators take few more weeks off.

Why isn't there non stop negotiations, as there were in 2003, until this is done?

 

[WeAAsles]

Well WeAAsles, if they're paying third world mechanics $2 an hour....They must be paying baggage handlers $.50 an hour.

From that link I posted I'd say they pay roughly .80 cents per hour.
 

I say we open up the flood gates and outsource YOUR work as well.

Nah. No reason to outsource my work since bags don't fly. Just need to pay me the average Baggage Handler wage of $12.00 per hour with "maybe" some horrible benefits. And for you guys who have to perform work on aircraft here in the US the average is $24,00 per hour.

What do you say? Don't you think we should help the company and their shareholders make more profits?
 
 

You can deny it all you want, but you are certainly showing yourself to be anti mechanic. God forbid we speak, or in your words, COMPLAIN about our worthless union, it's ST. WEAASLES, the patron saint and defender of the TWU leadership to the rescue.

 

Stop with the woe is me everyone hates you line. It's getting old. I have no problem with people complaining. But I do have a problem with people who do nothing but complain. 

You complain when the TWU does nothing and you complain when they do something. So like I said. You complain just for the sake of complaining. I complain when I feel like they're doing nothing, not when they're trying to do something. That's the difference between us.

 

[WeAAsles]

What about overpaid baggage handlers? Don't forget to include YOUR work group
 

Don't need the reminder how the public and maybe you view me and what I do. I don't let what other people think bother me.

 

[WeAAsles]

And you don't think YOU have it better than many others? 

I 100% KNOW how much better I have it than so many others.

But nothing wrong with wanting even more.

 

[WeAAsles]

We've gotten less then nothing.
The company is on year 3 now of multi Billion dollar profits and we remain at BK wages and benefits while our "very experienced" negotiators take few more weeks off.

Why isn't there non stop negotiations, as there were in 2003, until this is done?

Because Jerry Glass, the company negotiator is also negotiating over there at UAL. You know UAL right. That's the company that just forced a TA down the throats of the Mechanics over there that they shot down by 93%.

 
IBT/UAL contract rejection, what does it mean to us at AA?

You're seeing what it means for us at AA. We have to wait for Jerry to schedule the negotiations while he plays games with the UAL people. Maybe you hate your Union more than you hate the company? If you do I guess that you're not going to believe the last update?

"Rest assured that despite the company’s claims of scheduling conflicts and attempts to propose concessions despite soaring profits, we remain committed to fighting for the best deal for Association members. We’re here, ready to work on your behalf, and we won’t settle for anything but the contract you deserve."

Didn't Peterson also put out an update about being frustrated that the company keeps scheduling these sporadic negotiation dates? 
 

 

[WeAAsles]

"There is "a very high likelihood" based on precedent that the U.S. president would appoint an emergency board to recommend a solution to prevent disruptions to passengers and interstate commerce, says Jerry Glass, president of labor relations consultancy F&H Solutions Group."

http://seekingalpha.com/news/3111426-united-continental-mechanics-reject-labor-contract-union-seeks-strike












Media Mentions
Analysis: U.S. Airlines Won't Yield Much Ground to Unions













June 17, 2011




Reuters News





Jerry Glass quoted in Reuters New regarding airlines and union negotiations.

http://w.fhsolutionsgroup.com/news/media-mentions/analysis-us-airlines-wont-yield-much-ground-unions
 
Glass said the industry must move to a system where more of the compensation is variable - rewarding employees during good years, not paying so much when an airline is struggling.
"I still haven't seen a recognition that this industry - and it's a cliché - that this industry has changed, it's restructured and it's not going back to the way things were," he said. "Until you accept the fact that it can't be the way it is, you're going to ask for all of it back. But common sense at this point says it just doesn't work."

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/headlines/20100410-Airlines-unions-tangle-over-contracts-3589.ece

While the union said it would ask the National Mediation Board for permission to strike, the likelihood of a walkout is “extremely, extremely low,” said Jerry Glass, a labor-relations consultant with F&H Solutions Group and former US Airways executive.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-16/united-airlines-mechanic-union-members-vote-against-contract
 

Jerry Glass Interview on Fox Business - Delta Flight Attendants Lose Election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiT4RqiF2JA
 

 

[WeAAsles]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrCDdm2yjXY

 

[Vortilon]

Ever think that maybe it's because you complain so much that it's as if you think you have the worst life that anyone could ever have imagined on the face of the Earth?

It's a little pathetic if that's what you think. Man you have it so much better than so many others that they'd kill to have your little problems.

 
I want you negotiating for me!  Perfect example of why AMTs need their own union, effing backstabbers like this weaasles azzhat.

 

[Vortilon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrCDdm2yjXY

Yeah, you probably drive a Prius as well.  Green Gay! Yay, said no body...ever.

 

[DallasConehead]

Ever think that maybe it's because you complain so much that it's as if you think you have the worst life that anyone could ever have imagined on the face of the Earth?

It's a little pathetic if that's what you think. Man you have it so much better than so many others that they'd kill to have your little problems.

 
Well Vort, this is exactly why we are the lowest paid and least benefits when compared to our industry peers, this is exactly the mindset of the TWU and now I would bet the Association.  They think we are a bunch of overpaid cry babies, meanwhile they are at or near the top of industry pay for their class,  they have nothing to complain about and we have plenty. Yet it goes unrecognized and viewed as whining. On top of this there is no chance to replace them.

 

[xUT]

 
I want you negotiating for me!  Perfect example of why AMTs need their own union, effing backstabbers like this weaasles azzhat.

 
That's why pure socialism does not work.
 
These clowns have us fighting each other over scraps off of the table left by the company.
They are in belief that if you make $1.00 more than them that it will be deducted from their 'piece of the pie'.
They have fully accepted that the 'company' has a set amount they will spend and nothing more.
Look around here and tell me this is not true.
 
Why can you buy better bread than your 'brothers & sisters'?
 
All the while, the 1% suck it up big time.
 
Take Care,
B) xUT

 

[WeAAsles]

Well Vort, this is exactly why we are the lowest paid and least benefits when compared to our industry peers, this is exactly the mindset of the TWU and now I would bet the Association.  They think we are a bunch of overpaid cry babies, meanwhile they are at or near the top of industry pay for their class,  they have nothing to complain about and we have plenty. Yet it goes unrecognized and viewed as whining. On top of this there is no chance to replace them.

WRONG genius. Compared to the people you want to compare us to. Delta, UAL, SWA, UPS and Fedex I'm at the absolute bottom when it comes to the topped out BASE wage. Dead last on that list. (Without painting the full picture you constantly ignore)

And I absolutely don't think your group are a bunch of overpaid crybabies. I think YOU are an overpaid crybaby. YOU!!! Now if you lived in NYC (JFK, LGA) I'd just call YOU a crybaby. YOU!!!!!!

12 years I lived in DFW. I know for an absolute fact how GREAT you got it there. I have ZERO sympathy for YOUR plight.

Move to NY, LAX, ORD, or BOS and you'll have earned your tissue box.

 

[WeAAsles]

I want you negotiating for me!  Perfect example of why AMTs need their own union, effing backstabbers like this weaasles azzhat.

Where do you live? If you're in any cheap as puck place then you're a part of the problem. People who live in high COL areas should be making A LOT more than you.

And if you don't agree then you're just another one of those greedy B's I hate just as much as any CEO.