IBT organizing Drive

[pjirish317]

Proud2bphilly,
I got that number from our union people in my station. The got that number from out AGC. So you better check your resources. On the 25 million note, the TA was worth 25 million, we gave back the profit sharing, about 5 million a year, times 5 years, so we got nothing. 25 million minus 25 million equals 0, nadda, nothing, zippo. We get 25 million in a crap contract the company gets 25 million cash. Great idea. :blink:

 

[proud2bphilly]

proud2bphilly,
I did ckeck my resources. And if you remember our current contract said "Mianline stations that may be outsourced". We all know where those words got us don't we. The company did outsource a majority if not all of those cities. There were no Class II cities in the TA. All went to Class I status. The COC is worth $22 and change. So that is about $6.50 for me. Yes I am in a Class II city. So $6.50 x 2040 = $13,260. As opposed to $3.32 x 2040 = $6,772. Almost double. You do your own math. I have done mine and made my decision accordingly.

OBVIOUSLY YOU WENT TO THE TIM NELSON SCHOOL OF MISUNDERSTANDING. HE WAS THE PROFESSOR AND YOU HIS PRIZED STUDENT. CONGRATS ON YOUR DEGREE. NOW TAKE THE KNOWLEDGE YOU GAINED THERE AND TRY TO APPLY IT IN REAL LIFE. I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOUR WORLD IS MORE FICTIONAL THAN MINE. WHEN DID WE EVER MAKE 22 hr? and 52 weeks multiplied by 40 hours (ft hrs obviously) EQUALS 2080 HOURS NOT 2040. PLEASE STOP SAYING YOU DID YOUR RESEARCH. WHEN THESE 2 VERY ACADEMIC AND BLATANTLY OBVIOUS ISSUES YOU CANT EVEN GET RIGHT.

 

[proud2bphilly]

Proud2bphilly,
I got that number from our union people in my station. The got that number from out AGC. So you better check your resources. On the 25 million note, the TA was worth 25 million, we gave back the profit sharing, about 5 million a year, times 5 years, so we got nothing. 25 million minus 25 million equals 0, nadda, nothing, zippo. We get 25 million in a crap contract the company gets 25 million cash. Great idea. :blink:

IT IS ABSOLUTELY HOW MISINFORMED YOU ARE. THE TA WAS WORTH 25 MILLION PER YEAR. THATS LETS SEE NOW 25MILL PLUS 25 MILL PLUS 25 MILL PLUS 25 MILL WOW I SEE NOW HOW GIVING BACK 5 YEARS OF PROFIT SHARING AT 5 MILL AYEAR IS WORTH 100 MILL. LIKE I SAID BEFORE DO YOUR HOMEWORK... NOW IM GONNA SAY DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND HAVE SOMEONE CHECK IT FOR YOU BEFORE YOU TURN IT IN.

 

[JoeDirt]

Proud2bphilly
I will not debate the mathmatics with you. Instead I will state some facts.

Fact: My raise was was worth less than $2 an hour.
Fact: We are due a raise in Jan.
Fact: The profit sharing is worth 35 cent an hour according to the IAM Messenger.
Fact: The cost of living goes up 2 to 4% a year. So much for annual raises.
Fact: Health care insurance cost will go up.
Fact: I am due another week of vacation soon so this does not even figure into the equation.
Fact: Prior to the first bankruptcy we were making just shy of $22 an hour. Doesn't figure in either.

You do the math. Even using the most conservative figures at best it was worth around $2000 dollars.
I stand by what I said. The math does not lie.

The T/A is a dead horse. No need to beat it anymore.

 

[1776phl]

Proud2bphilly
I will not debate the mathmatics with you. Instead I will state some facts.

Fact: My raise was was worth less than $2 an hour.
Fact: We are due a raise in Jan.
Fact: The profit sharing is worth 35 cent an hour according to the IAM Messenger.
Fact: The cost of living goes up 2 to 4% a year. So much for annual raises.
Fact: Health care insurance cost will go up.
Fact: I am due another week of vacation soon so this does not even figure into the equation.
Fact: Prior to the first bankruptcy we were making just shy of $22 an hour. Doesn't figure in either.

You do the math. Even using the most conservative figures at best it was worth around $2000 dollars.
I stand by what I said. The math does not lie.

The T/A is a dead horse. No need to beat it anymore.

fact 1 over the course of the agreement it was worth more than 2 dollars and when was the last time we had a 2 dollar raise fact 2 we got the raise early i dont think that is bad wish we got all our raises early fact 3 the profit sharing is worth nothing if they dont make a profit and if you have been around awhile you know we dont have to many profitable years and you guys say the managment team doesnt know what they are doing so why would you want to have to depend on them that doesnt make sense fact 4 we never had cost of living raises and 19 is better than 17 that doesnt make sense fact 5 the health would not have gone up with the ta but it will now fact 5 vacation is good for you what about everyone else very selfish good job look out for just yourself well get real far i checked my pay checks the most we made for any length of time was 19.56 check your pay checks your facts are messed up and 2000 is way off but still the question is what to we do now will wait for an answer

 

[IAMSUX]

The IAM needs to go! they dont care about the workers only about their bottom line $$$$ there making hand over fist with the outrageous dues we pay and a revolving door of crappy new hires at the PHL airport that generates them $1000's of dollars in initiation fees. Its F'N sicking and they get away with it! and then they tryed to jam this contract down our throats!!!They dont work for the membership they work for the company! its time for a change even if there is a big risk of losing everything cause if we lose the IAM loses too. F'N!...I dont care anymore....theres no reward with risk now is the time for change.

 

[proud2bphilly]

Proud2bphilly
I will not debate the mathmatics with you. Instead I will state some facts.

Fact: My raise was was worth less than $2 an hour.
Fact: We are due a raise in Jan.
Fact: The profit sharing is worth 35 cent an hour according to the IAM Messenger.
Fact: The cost of living goes up 2 to 4% a year. So much for annual raises.
Fact: Health care insurance cost will go up.
Fact: I am due another week of vacation soon so this does not even figure into the equation.
Fact: Prior to the first bankruptcy we were making just shy of $22 an hour. Doesn't figure in either.

You do the math. Even using the most conservative figures at best it was worth around $2000 dollars.
I stand by what I said. The math does not lie.

The T/A is a dead horse. No need to beat it anymore.

answer1 your raisewoulda started at less than 2 dollars per hour but increased to over 3 dollars an hour THATS A FACT
answer2 you were due a 17 cent raise in jan.....be careful not to spend that all in one place.
answer3 finally got one right
answer4 there was no allowance for an increase in healthcare after 2008 in the T/A
answer5 well if you are who i think you are you wont get another week vac for about 5 more years and there were alot of other employees who woulda
benefitted to a higher degree than you and received 2 weks a hell of a lot sooner
answer6 if that is the case then why is everyone hung up on 21.06 an hour. which as i stated earlier will probably be a lot closer to 19.50 per hr.



SO I DID DO ALL THE RESEARCH AND THE MATH. YOU OBVIOUSLY LISTENED TO OTHER UNINFORMED INDIVIDUALS OR MADE THIS STUFF UP YOURSELF.
THE MOST CONSERVATIVE FIGURES ARE CLOSER TO ABOUT 13000 TO 15000 TOTAL INCREASE IN PAY OVER THE LENGTH OF THE TA THAT YOU GAVE BACK
BY THE WAY THOSE FIGURES ARE ALSO NOT INCLUDING ANY OVERTIME THAT YOU WORK. IN CASE YOU CANT DO THAT MATH IT AMOUNTS TO IN THE
20000 TO 30000 DOLLAR RANGE. DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT YOU WORK AND YOUR RATE OF PAY. BUT ACCORDING TO YOU ID SAY YOU ARE TOPPED
OUT BECAUSE YOU WERE GOING TO GET THE WEEK OF VACA SOON ANYWAY. IF YOU ARE TIRED OF THE TA TALK AND SAY IT IS DEAD THEN STOp
BRINGING IT UP. I ALSO WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME OF YOUR PREVIOUS QUOTES AND I SEE THAT YOU ARE A BIT WISHY-WASHY NOW AND SEEM TO BE CHANGING YOUR STANCE A BIT NOW YOU WANT HELP...TYPICAL... DONT LISTEN IN THE BEGINNING SCREW IT UP THEN WANT OTHERS TO LEAD YOU AND FIX IT FOR YOU.. WHY DONT YOU JUST LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE YOU ARE ASKING TO FIX THINGS FROM THE START AND MAYBE WE WOULDNT BE IN THIS MESS?

 

[perserverance]

Guys and Gals-
I notice that proud2bphilly and 1176phl are just angry members of this board.
I pointed out awhile ago that proud2bphilly was a Hayden supporter, and now I
question 1176phl, I don't know where you come from but I do know your not from
1776 and if you are speak with alittle more intellect. ''He told me and he made me'',
Redeye and Tim ...I notice I'm the only one who responds to thier ??'s and I'm regretting
it. ... so type on proud2bphilly and 1176phl, I tried to correspond with you without bias.
but nowe i cee u guzes nkow morw thn mee....................

Thanks

 

[pjirish317]

proud2bephilly,
where are you getting $19.50 hr on the COC? Who gave you that number. I got my number from my AGC. He said around $22 and change? So I was a little off on my math. But my figure on the hourly wage is correct. I just want to know who told you $19.50 was the number that the COC is worth? Just because you were in the minority on wanting the TA, and it did not get voted in, deal with what has transpired and move on.

 

[b737200]

WOW,
So much immaturity here, each person received a copy of the T/A and hopefully read it. Then each person had a vote, then you voted and hopefully you made an intelligent decesion. All I've read on this thread is name bashing and you twisted my arm to vote the way you wanted me too. Not one of you have held Parker and the million dollar club responsible for any of this. Typical ramp mentality...blame each other and not the real source. Even if the union won't call or sanction a work safe program, we should start it and start flexing our muscle and let the management know we are tired and it's time to be treated to a fair and equitable contract. PHL, CLT and PHX are the player's, unite and let's get it on.
Remember.....Management will not listen to the worker but they do listen to screaming paxs.
So stop your back biting and grow a spine and send the company a message

 

[pjirish317]

B737200,

Absolutly. I second that.

 

[IAMSUX]

Even if the union won't call or sanction a work safe program, we should start it and start flexing our muscle and let the management know we are tired and it's time to be treated to a fair and equitable contract. PHL, CLT and PHX are the player's, unite and let's get it on.
Remember.....Management will not listen to the worker but they do listen to screaming paxs.
So stop your back biting and grow a spine and send the company a message

lol...screaming passengers....hahaha .... the company doesnt even listen to them and a "work safe program" wont work because theres been a "work safe program" going on for sometime now and by accident! just check with Usairways performance over the past several months..last in everything! Planes are overbooked, people are still flying with us! The company doesnt care their still getting their money!

any other bright idea??

 

[Tim Nelson]

Guys and Gals-
I notice that proud2bphilly and 1176phl are just angry members of this board.
I pointed out awhile ago that proud2bphilly was a Hayden supporter, and now I
question 1176phl, I don't know where you come from but I do know your not from
1776 and if you are speak with alittle more intellect. ''He told me and he made me'',
Redeye and Tim ...I notice I'm the only one who responds to thier ??'s and I'm regretting
it. ... so type on proud2bphilly and 1176phl, I tried to correspond with you without bias.
but nowe i cee u guzes nkow morw thn mee....................

Thanks

Item 1: I understand you to be wrong. Proud2BPhilly and 1176 are not angry members of this board but rather an angry member of this board. Think singular. Goodoleboy, iam1776, are the same as proud2b and Jeff in writing styles and information. Notice, on an earlier thread, Jeff must have forgot which handle he was on since he was responding to himself. He told me that I said 'screw him' but he forgot he was on his other handle. So we know for sure that iam1776 and goodoleboy are one in the same. We also know that proud2be and Haden are the same because Haden is the only one that uses the numbers that proudtobe is using. I was on speaker phone in Haden's PHL meetings and I can tell you that proudtobe said the same things that are on my written notes from haden's meetings. Numbers that no other IAM official even discussed. Numbers that are actually only in Haden's head. So I am reasonably certain that hayden is in fact proudtobe.
Also, Jeff also tries to act dumb with his 1776iam handle but has slipped up and thought he was on his other handle and started the same grammer problems on his other handles as well. He has so many handles now that he has forgot at least twice now which handle he is on. As further humor, iam1776 tells me he voted because of me and he didn't know squat. Now, all of the sudden he is rattling off numbers that are unknown to most workers.

Item 2: I think it is great that you folks respond to Jeff. It keeps him busy and also shows his arrogance and ineptness of listening. This is reflective of the IAM also. Plus it takes up his time. His golf scores will start to go higher.
I haven't responded because the comments directed towards me were regarding the IBT. As of now, I doubt the IBT campaigns so any question in this nature is 'moot'. JC told me to wait till at least monday as they were still trying to work things out above at the top. Plus other questions directly related to the past TA were already beaten to death on this board as the TA and Hayden were KO'd. The right numbers were presented and the workforce was very educated on these matters. Only Haden is still living in the past. Hayden's deceit was 'rooted out' so he is just still pissed and can't leave it alone.

Item 3: Haden's numbers.
1. Profit sharing: His .35 was for someone making about 10 buck an hour. Then he mentions the top out at 19.00. But for those who would have made $19hr, the profit sharing was worth about twice what Haden rattled off. Not that this matters.

2. COC: Haden's numbers are similar to the ones that were provided to me by 'top' people. I say $21.19, I think Haden put it at $21.06. The difference is that Haden will refuse to talk about back pay and future raises since he believes or knows the IAM will negotiate the back pay and future raises away for other benefits. I think the IAM is 'very hot' to give Parker his transition so its imperative to keep them accountable. If the COC is awarded then it is very important NOT to negotiate COC award away but rather the focus should be to bring the west coast up to the new levels. Even Parker admits the west may eventually be involved in the COC. But Hayden's numbers of the contracts net worth are seriously off base unless he puts minimal value on the COC. Remember, the COC is worth about 200 million for east fleet alone over 5 years I believe although it could be over 7 years. The company hotshots even breakdown the numbers.

As far as arguing the numbers of the contract, it's really not worth any of our time. Fleet service made an educated decision and they made the 'right' choice. And if the COC is won, the last contract would immediately become a 'deep' concession. Unfortunately, Canale's boy, Hayden, didn't negotiate anything, he isn't built to negotiate.
Hayden gave up things already negotiated, then he agreed with Parker to throw in another 2 years of the bankrupcy contract, extend the wage scale to 12 years, and not negotiate any snapbacks but rather make the snapbacks IOU's. Hayden talks fast but he loses. Everyone in PHL already knows this that is why Canale's boy is reducing himself to silly internet handles and personalities like hillbillies [Just a Goodoleboy, think dukes of hazard], and rednecks who dont even know about periods and capitalization. IMO, Jeff's lost it and has flipped out. He took this whole thing personal.
Soon he will also lose his chair, the chair he never was elected in.

item 4:
Hayden was running his mouth that the COC is NOT for the west, and that the IAM was already in section 6 for the west. Both lies. Even the PHX chair just put out a letter [after we started putting heat on his butt] saying, "...Change of control...may or may not pertain to west employees." This is a great position switch but not enough yet. So workers across the system have been filling out cards to ditch the IAM, and only now is the IAM admitting it screwed over the west for 18 months by not enforcing the TWU's section 6 negotiations. As the PHX chair states, "Next step issues. Opening the TWU contract for section 6 negotiations." Jeff told everyone that section 6 negotiations were already taking place but now we hear the truth that it's a next step issue. Jeff is Jeff and eveyone in PHL knows he can't win an election against Daffy Duck, He has no 'juice' and his latest dribble is riddled with deceit. After all, these are the things that will position him up to the $100,000 pyramid.

Now, it's time for college football gameday!! Go Big10!

regards,

 

[pjirish317]

There may be an epidemic of the "blue flu" coming aroun christmas time.

 

[pjirish317]

Whatever the numbers are, in the COC, it is more than the POS TA we as a whole voted down. Lets see what the IBEW has to offer now that the IBT has withdrawn from contention. Either way the I AM MANAGEMENT union needs to open its eyes and stand up for us once and for all. If not then I say the IBEW gets a shot.