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My experience with the tech foreman was that you usually ended doing their dirty work, plus all your other assigned work. You worked FOR them not them helping you.They called the shots. Keep them in management. We don't need them. We mechanics can work our own mel"s etc... We don't need another level of authority in the union. Who is next the sups and managers?


That's tech support mechanics at AirTran too!! Exactly like that! They'll wright task cards, as of they were engineers, that'll have you troubleshoot a problem that's reoccurring on an A/C. You'll spend all night doing their task card and your regular workload and still not fix the MEL or yellow/Red letter. They are a good knowledge base when you need a quick answer to something, like where a relay might be located, but as far as troubleshooting problems, I think they more get in the way then actually help. Don't get me wrong, they've helped me figure a few things out in the past, but only when I called them and we brainstormed it together. Their attempt to proactively troubleshoot an item really does waste more time in my opinion, but still, a necessary evil whether they're union or not.
 
That's tech support mechanics at AirTran too!! Exactly like that! They'll wright task cards, as of they were engineers, that'll have you troubleshoot a problem that's reoccurring on an A/C. You'll spend all night doing their task card and your regular workload and still not fix the MEL or yellow/Red letter. They are a good knowledge base when you need a quick answer to something, like where a relay might be located, but as far as troubleshooting problems, I think they more get in the way then actually help. Don't get me wrong, they've helped me figure a few things out in the past, but only when I called them and we brainstormed it together. Their attempt to proactively troubleshoot an item really does waste more time in my opinion, but still, a necessary evil whether they're union or not.



After reading LOA 8,it looks like the tech support mechanic would report to the field tech sup. So I guess the field tech sups would stay management. It is a new position for SW. We haven't had tech support mechanics just field tech supervisors. My previous post was concerning them. I still don't see the need for the new position though.
 
I wonder if they have bump up TSM's when they call in sick? Since they have the responsibilities of a mechanic, I would think they could be utilized instead of calling OT if we are short handed. Not a good thing.
 
After reading LOA 8,it looks like the tech support mechanic would report to the field tech sup. So I guess the field tech sups would stay management. It is a new position for SW. We haven't had tech support mechanics just field tech supervisors. My previous post was concerning them. I still don't see the need for the new position though.
This is a no-brainer.
The company is handing us a new premium position for us to bid to.
They are asking nothing in return.
We want as many premium positions as we can possibly get.
These positions will only be filled by AMFA mechanics.
Just say yes to new jobs and higher wages.
Quit trying to see something bad that is not there.
It is all good for us.
 
I wonder if they have bump up TSM's when they call in sick? Since they have the responsibilities of a mechanic, I would think they could be utilized instead of calling OT if we are short handed. Not a good thing.
If we are short mechanics, we call overtime.
If we are short inspectors, we call overtime.
If we are short TSM , we call overtime.

More overtime in a premium position.
What's the problem?
 
That's tech support mechanics at AirTran too!! Exactly like that! They'll wright task cards, as of they were engineers, that'll have you troubleshoot a problem that's reoccurring on an A/C. You'll spend all night doing their task card and your regular workload and still not fix the MEL or yellow/Red letter. They are a good knowledge base when you need a quick answer to something, like where a relay might be located, but as far as troubleshooting problems, I think they more get in the way then actually help. Don't get me wrong, they've helped me figure a few things out in the past, but only when I called them and we brainstormed it together. Their attempt to proactively troubleshoot an item really does waste more time in my opinion, but still, a necessary evil whether they're union or not.

Sounds a lot like the SAMC Maintenance Controllers at the Lazy'U.
They were once management but the NMB rolled them in with the M&R when AMFA was certified.
Kind of like 'project management' of a problem that is reoccurring.
But then again, how many times can you pop the breaker re-rack a unit and consider it 'healed' if the fault doesn't reappear on ground test or replace the same part over and over. :lol:
I had no problems with them being in AMFA, as they had their own contract (that was never completed).
I look at management positions as who can hire/fire or sway decisions on such, but that is part ego and part trying to do what's right, sometimes it's difficult to figure out which is which.
Mechanics can report employee faults on each other just as management can.
Sometimes it's justified if you see someone doing dangerous or stupid stuff, other times it's ego.
I guess I do miss it and why I still follow it.
Take Care,
B) xUT
 
If we are short mechanics, we call overtime.
If we are short inspectors, we call overtime.
If we are short TSM , we call overtime.


You should know as well as me, they don't always call OT when we are short. The company likes to roll the dice and hope at the end of the night, it all works out. They hope someone gets free so they can help out.

As far as new union jobs, that's good. There are alot of unknowns though such as; are these going to be the existing positions already held by AT mechanics only, or is SW going to add them at other stations. Without the LOA 8 the existing TSM's at AT don't have a bid location under our current cba. Unlike you, I don't like to dive in head first without knowing how deep the water is.
 
You should know as well as me, they don't always call OT when we are short. The company likes to roll the dice and hope at the end of the night, it all works out. They hope someone gets free so they can help out.

As far as new union jobs, that's good. There are alot of unknowns though such as; are these going to be the existing positions already held by AT mechanics only, or is SW going to add them at other stations. Without the LOA 8 the existing TSM's at AT don't have a bid location under our current cba.
Not calling OT sucks, but adding a new premium position, are two different things.

We grab these jobs now so we can control them during section 6 negotiations. We can control "how deep the water is" at that time.

xUt is correct,
The NMB has determined that they are part of our class and craft already, and we have to represent them.

Now, do you want a handful of guys on their own contract where our dues will have to subsidize their separate contract negotiations and have a separate group we can't bid to.

Or,
Gain a new higher paying position that we mechanics can bid to and that we will control in our contract?.

Like I said,
A no-brainer.
 
It's not smart to call it a no brainer without all the facts. Let's give it some time to find out the details before we jump aboard.You may be in a bid location that won't be affected by this change. I am in a location that will and have to consider the ramifications of this change.
 
Now, do you want a handful of guys on their own contract where our dues will have to subsidize their separate contract negotiations and have a separate group we can't bid to.


It's my understanding that these TSM's are currently represented by the teamsters and are mechanics. If LOA 8 does not pass, it stands to reason that they will just be in the mechanic class under our CBA. And there will be no TSM classification.
 
It's my understanding that these TSM's are currently represented by the teamsters and are mechanics. If LOA 8 does not pass, it stands to reason that they will just be in the mechanic class under our CBA. And there will be no TSM classification.
No, they will be in limbo with no contract unless we make a new classification for them.

Because of the NMB ruling putting them in our class and craft we MUST represent them.

While in limbo they have no contract or language representing or protecting them.

This situation sets AMFA and us up for a failure to represent lawsuit.

Do you want to pay these guys a lot of money out of our dues after they win an easy lawsuit because we were to stupid to take a new premium position into our contract?

Go to the road show meeting with an open mind on this LOA.
Get educated and ask questions on this and don't make a snap decision against it now.
 
Go to the road show meeting with an open mind on this LOA.
Get educated and ask questions on this and don't make a snap decision against it now.


The only one making a snap decision is you bub, with your 'no brainer' declaration.
 
The only one making a snap decision is you bub, with your 'no brainer' declaration.
No, mine is an educated decision because I have already heard the upside and downside of voting down the LOA.

unlike you, Bub

And it is a no-brainer as it was explained to me.
I have tried to explain the positives of it and the negatives if it is not voted in.
The road show guys will be better at it than I have tried to be and should be able to answer some of the questions you have raised and others that will surely come up.
 
No, mine is an educated decision because I have already heard the upside and downside of voting down the LOA.

unlike you, Bub

And it is a no-brainer as it was explained to me.
I have tried to explain the positives of it and the negatives if it is not voted in.
The road show guys will be better at it than I have tried to be and should be able to answer some of the questions you have raised and others that will surely come up.

So far you have made statements without any facts to back them up. You heard what he said that she said. Maybe you should refrain from spouting off if you can't provide facts to back up what you say. I will be at a roadshow and will ask questions and I will expect facts not opinions or speculation.
 
So far you have made statements without any facts to back them up. You heard what he said that she said. Maybe you should refrain from spouting off if you can't provide facts to back up what you say. I will be at a roadshow and will ask questions and I will expect facts not opinions or speculation.
what makes you think that I am not telling you the facts?
Do I have to post exactly who told me my info every time I post?
I have nothing to gain from telling you BS.
I don't know where you get your info to form your opinions or speculation, but I get mine from the source.

I would like to note that the info I have posted has always been rock solid.

If you just don't believe me for some reason, fine.
But the info is the truth.
Ask your ALR or a negotiating committee member before spouting off about what is or isn't opinion or speculation.
If it is the phrase no-brainer that you are hung up on, disregard that as my opinion and just consider the rest of the info as from the source.

Even though the no-brainer sentiment came from there too.
 

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