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[swamt]

Just reading thru the forum here, I have a quick question.
Are the WN AMT's saying that if/when they merge with another carrier they should get a 4year boost again?

Also wondering where WN will get the cash to "buy" a company that has a market cap of about 33% that of yours?

We are just discussing the fact that if this current TA gets voted in, then the LOA we currently have will go away (huge move by SWA mechs). If this happens, then we, SWA mechs and AT mechs once combined as one, need to renego a new LOA to include all mechs from both airlines. Just need to reinstate the Oringinal LOA and change the date, that's all...

 

[swamt]

Here's an update on AMFA Nationals website:


AMFA - SWA Seniority List Integration Update













Apr 25, 2012 - Posted by: Floyd Looney





Dear Members:

On April 23, 2012, a tentative agreement was reached between the AMFA and the IBT providing for seniority integration between the SWA and AirTran mechanics. The principal revisions to the prior tentative agreement reflect membership input received during the AMFA road shows. The highlights of the tentative agreement include:
• All Southwest mechanics on the payroll prior to May 2, 2011, receive a four-year bump in their category seniority;
• The Company agrees to restrictions on the involuntarily displacement of SWA or AirTran mechanics at the BWI and MCO stations (Protection for BWI and MCO are there to make sure the company does not come in and decide there are too many people with the combined group and re-allocate them to other stations (No one will be forced to leave their homes); and
• The fence provisions in the prior proposal, including those contained in the AMFA/SWA LOA of March 29, 2011, have been eliminated.

In view of these revisions, the SLI Committee has endorsed this tentative agreement.

The Seniority Integration tentative agreement will be voted on together, as a package, with a tentative Transition Agreement, the provisions of which include:
• An expedited arbitration process to be applied in the event that the Company fails to agree to the expansion of its in-house 717 maintenance program;
• The creation of new premium positions (Lead Mechanics, Lead Inspectors, and GSE Leads), which will be open for bid on a carrier-wide basis; and
• A specific timeline to implement a fourth line of heavy maintenance in DAL.

The membership will also vote, separately, on the following Letters of Agreement:
• LOA 7, which will increase the Company’s contribution to our 401(k) plan from 7.3% to 9.3% retroactive to January 1, 2012, and implement DEN maintenance within 90 days of ratification.
• LOA 8, which will create a new premium position of Technical Support Mechanics within the Mechanics Agreement

The ratification vote will commence on May 21, 2012, with the results to be announced on June 21, 2012. AMFA will engage in an in-depth information program prior to the commencement of the ratification vote. Consider the information, ask questions, and vote.

In closing, I want to express my gratitude to the Committee representatives who spent many weeks away from their homes in order to promote the interests of the SWA Mechanics. You have my heartfelt thanks.

 

[swamt]

BTW; Just checked the teamsters airline division website and still nothing, as far as an update, posted.

 

[tech2101]

• LOA 8, which will create a new premium position of Technical Support Mechanics within the Mechanics Agreement

What the heck is a "Technical Support Mechanic"?

Is this the LUV version of "B" Scale or OSM. A person doing AMT work for less pay?

Please explain.

Thanks.

 

[Flman]

What the heck is a "Technical Support Mechanic"?

Is this the LUV version of "B" Scale or OSM. A person doing AMT work for less pay?

Please explain.

Thanks.

No they are mechanics who focus on chronic problems or if you have a question about a problem you may be working. They also work with a mechanic with other problems that was a assigned to the over night maintenance work load. (tech support request, yellew letters, red letters, or chronic letters) Its more of a support role. They are apart of our cba and are in the same level as leads, maintenance control, and inspector they all get paid the same. I hope this helps.

 

[Swadl]

Technical support mechanic will be assigned to a tech Forman. I'm really curious why this has been added again as it was voted down last time. I don't like this tech mechanic helper idea.

 

[Swadl]

Technical support mechanic will be assigned to a tech Forman. I'm really curious why this has been added again as it was voted down last time. I don't like this tech mechanic helper idea.

 

[Flman]

Technical support mechanic will be assigned to a tech Forman. I'm really curious why this has been added again as it was voted down last time. I don't like this tech mechanic helper idea.

They are not helpers, they are the same group that wrights our letters ( yellow, red, chronic, and tech support request letters).
So to make sure the implementation and understanding of the letters are accomplished. They work side by side with the mechanics or leads to resolve a problem. I believe there are 8 guys all based in ATL . They communicate with our other stations via phone they available 24 hours a day.

 

[Swadl]

We have the same they are called tech forman's. They will help a mechanic work Alerts, MEL's and other items. The reason why they help the mechanics assigned to the aircraft is because they are forman's and there for cant essentially work the aircraft unless with a mechanic. The reason why I said helpers is because they will work closely with the tech forman's and the forman's will assign them the work/aircraft. The way I see it is since they are are classified as mechanics they can and will be assigned aircraft which will take away from our overtime and be considered man power for the night. Also they would count against our vacation slots for the year. The way I see it if they want to stay in the union they should step down to an actual mechanic position and if they want to stay in their current position then they need to leave the union just like our tech forman's and become management. If I'm mistaken on this matter please correct me.

 

[Flman]

We have the same they are called tech forman's. They will help a mechanic work Alerts, MEL's and other items. The reason why they help the mechanics assigned to the aircraft is because they are forman's and there for cant essentially work the aircraft unless with a mechanic. The reason why I said helpers is because they will work closely with the tech forman's and the forman's will assign them the work/aircraft. The way I see it is since they are are classified as mechanics they can and will be assigned aircraft which will take away from our overtime and be considered man power for the night. Also they would count against our vacation slots for the year. The way I see it if they want to stay in the union they should step down to an actual mechanic position and if they want to stay in their current position then they need to leave the union just like our tech forman's and become management. If I'm mistaken on this matter please correct me.

Ok I understand where your coming from now. Well I can't speak on how they will be used in the future combined group, but here at AT they do not go against our overtime, vacation, or assigned there own work (over night man power). But again I don't no how they will be used in the future. I hope this helps.

 

[WNMECH]

TSM will be a new premium position added that any AMT will be able to bid into.
Pay will be like lead or inspector.
It is a good thing for us to get more premium jobs in our contract.
It would be stupid to vote this down.

Unless you don't want another job catagory that you can bid to where you can make more money and still be covered by your AMFA contract.

 

[swamt]

For all you guys out here following the SWA/AT Integration, all the agreements we are voting on are now listed on AMFA11.com for all to read. No one is restricted from this info like other unions web sites. That's just one of the AMFA differences. Still no update from the teamster airline divisions web site. There is also a more detailed break down on amfanational.org web site with the ratification voting dates set...

 

[SWA-PHX]

AVTech-- your right but don't forget we would fight for you and every other former AT mechanic and junior mechanic. And we once one group need to get another LOA in our contract that will include all SWA mechanics and former AT mechanics. Agreed?

As a PHX based Southwest mechanic I am sorry but another LOA is a bad idea. Don't you understand that it is "not fair" to have language in your contracts to protect your members. It would be "blackmail" for you to have things that protect the people that actually worked and built a great company and when you invite new people in and give them endless, and I do mean endless, improvements in their lives that you would expect maybe alittle something for all the hard work. Sorry Swadl, but our great American welfare system is not there to be mocked.
I pray that in the near future we do aquire, not merge, remember that, another airline and have a great LOA in our contract just to see how our ATL brothers act then.

 

[AvTech04]

As a PHX based Southwest mechanic I am sorry but another LOA is a bad idea. Don't you understand that it is "not fair" to have language in your contracts to protect your members. It would be "blackmail" for you to have things that protect the people that actually worked and built a great company and when you invite new people in and give them endless, and I do mean endless, improvements in their lives that you would expect maybe alittle something for all the hard work. Sorry Swadl, but our great American welfare system is not there to be mocked.
I pray that in the near future we do aquire, not merge, remember that, another airline and have a great LOA in our contract just to see how our ATL brothers act then.

Okay, I get it!! Although you made an account just to mock me with my belief in fair, I can see why an LOA like that would be so important to some, or many. I just believe that your contract is strong enough to protect the entire group and you wouldn't need an LOA to segregate a specific group. Like I've always stated, I look out for the well being of ALL AMT's regardless of the airline. I could only wish that every AMT in the US would be covered under then same union and union agreement so we could ALL have our jobs protected. But, then again, I am only one person and the majority will rule in a democratic society.

 

[lineguy]

We have the same they are called tech forman's. They will help a mechanic work Alerts, MEL's and other items. The reason why they help the mechanics assigned to the aircraft is because they are forman's and there for cant essentially work the aircraft unless with a mechanic. The reason why I said helpers is because they will work closely with the tech forman's and the forman's will assign them the work/aircraft. The way I see it is since they are are classified as mechanics they can and will be assigned aircraft which will take away from our overtime and be considered man power for the night. Also they would count against our vacation slots for the year. The way I see it if they want to stay in the union they should step down to an actual mechanic position and if they want to stay in their current position then they need to leave the union just like our tech forman's and become management. If I'm mistaken on this matter please correct me.

My experience with the tech foreman was that you usually ended doing their dirty work, plus all your other assigned work. You worked FOR them not them helping you.They called the shots. Keep them in management. We don't need them. We mechanics can work our own mel"s etc... We don't need another level of authority in the union. Who is next the sups and managers?