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xUT
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I would say that is like blaming a lost game on the refs, but in your case it is worse.
You are saying your own membership was too stupid.
They fell for "lies and deception" eh xNUT.
Man up, take responsibility for losing that election. Perhaps it was your inept leadership skills that turned the tide.
No you are right, your members were just to stupid to believe you.
You are a piece of work.
OK, blame me. Maybe if I called them 'stupid' I would garnish more respect.
ibt promised the ibt pension with a 5 year lookback clause, how did that work out?
ibt promised immediate opening of section 6 negotiations, how did that work out?
ibt promise a UAL Local in SFO, how did that work out?
ibt promised no more outsourcing, and compensation for outsourced work above what AMFA negotiated, how did that work out?
The UAL M&R bought these lies hook, line and sinker after Jimmy Jr. brought his fleet of trucks on SFO property and passed out signed pictures.
Yea, it's "my" fault.
UAL AMFA could not 'lie' to the membership, I guess it is my fault as well.
Personally, I sleep better not 'lying', but that's just me.
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I don't understand what you mean by this post.. You're suggesting that the company has come down on us by our own doing?? As I recall, AT mechanics agreed to give SWA mechanics seniority and when we voted on it, we passed it.. SWA mechanics didn't pass it! Don't get me wrong, I voted no on the last deal too, But I voted NO because of the protections that was offered to the SWA mechanics and the seniority boosts. You guys had a deal of a life time, AT only had 5 stations protected while SWA had 24 stations protected, and you got the 4 year 70% bump to boot, plus you got to keep your LOA... I couldn't believe that you guys voted it down, but whatever, to each his own.. And don't tell me that this was a 'company offer; because these were all items discussed during negotiations, the company simply stepped in and put it on paper for AMFA, which they bought off on.
So, I don't understand what you mean? What worse of a TA has the company offered?? The IBT went in and asked for 20 items more than the AT committee had even discussed, and most of those items would've benefited SWA mechanics too! If the company screwed anyone over, then they screwed all of us over. The TA the IBT was trying to get would've gotten all of us retro and more days off, including SWA mechs. The non-topped out guy at SWA would've been retro'd back to JAN 1 as well as an AT guy because now, with the 4 year bump, everyone currently @ SWA will go straight to top out @ SWA, that's what the IBT was trying to negotiate for BOTH of us, but whatever. You warned us this was going to happen, now your members as well as AT members are paying for it, just like you said!
Oh, and just to clarify, the company has still agreed to offer Full pay by the second pay period after ratification to the AT mech's, so AT never lost that..
Ok, so let me get this straight, "the company has still agreed to offer Full pay by the second pay period after ratification to the AT mech's" , so when the seniority integration is ratified, and AT mechs come onto the AMFA SWA CBA, the company has agreed to pay the AT mech's the applicable rates as specified in the AMFA SWA CBA by the second pay period after the ratifacation? Boy , you guys really bargained a sweetheart in that deal!! Clever.
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No I was not saying it was done by AT's doings. The time frame I was refering to was after the first agreement did not get accepted and the nego up to the current agreement. When (I think the ibt was trying to hold out) I was trying to let the AT guys know that if they keep trying to hold hard core at the DOH or even 2.5 yrs then the company will start to play hard ball. Which they did, hence, the removal of 5% on Jan. 1, 2012 and full pay on 3-1-12, plus retro from when agreemnts are voted in back to 3-1-2012. That was the worse TA offered from the company. BTW, none of SWA mech will recieve top out pay from the boost in seniority. A 1 yr mech that moves to 5 yrs is only for bidding and not pay. The only thing that the SWA mechs will recieve is the 401K increase retro, which the company "finally" admitted that we should of had that back in 2011, therefore, they finally gave into the retro. Although, the nego cmte for AMFA had to fight tooth and nail for it, it was not a gimmie. As far as the ibt asking for for more than your nego cmte knew about, well, once again, that's the ibt. They were laughed at by the company and AMFA for what all they were asking for, which is more than likely the main reason why the company switched gears with them on the pay issues.
I will end with this, It is going to be a very hard sell to the AMFA members. If this is voted down again, it's off to arbitration. Which if it plays out like AMFA is thinking it will, and the ibt continues to play thier games, then this will take many, many years to play out. We have just heard that the dispatchers just recieved an arbitration ruling and granted a 4 yr boost in seniority for the SWA dispatchers. So now there is evidence that the arbitrators are indeed looking at the complete package as to what one side is getting and what the other side is not getting. And they are not giving up an LOA like we are. This may not be the end guys, alot of mechs are starting to think that they need more than 4 yrs to give up the LOA, as well as the huge finacial package that the AT guys are going to recieve, will all be viewed and assesed by the arbitrator, and now they have an arbitration ruling to use as an example. The longer this drags out the worse it will get in my opinion. We will find out tomarrow where this will be going, I think we will be voting on the current offer, however, if it is not agreed upon by both sides, it will be desided on by an arbitrator, with more info available to them now, from another arbitrators ruling. Maybe 6-8 yrs for the LOA is more reasonable for the mechanics, just a thought...
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Very clever indeed. Insead of asking for the original retro back to 3-1-12, the ibt wanted to come in with full pay at 1-1-12 and full retro back to 1-1-12. And if this goes to arbitration, the second full pay period after ratification could very well be 1-1-2015 or 16, as is what the pilots for AT will have to wait for. Hmmmmm.... Later
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Yes they do. We were told they will also look at what the other groups recieved in thier non-arbitrated agreements who have an agreement by voting them in, which means the pilots group and the F/A's. I would be willing to bet the arbitrators were aware of our current offer coming out soon of 4 yrs. And if they were not, I know the dispatchers unions enlightened them on it. At least the first offer of 4 and 70% was talked about.
The F\A got 2.5 years, pilots avg got 3 to 3.5 years, dispatchers got 4 years (we still don't no what there transition agreement says), and we are going to vote for 4 years. If you look at what all the other groups got we are right there, let's get this done, don't degrade us any more then those groups. We all have our familys to look out for. Come on let get this done.
I would say YES, Since the TWU and the IAM arbritration ended April 16 and was due to have a decision by 1 May they ( panel of
arbritatiors) have asked to extend that date until June 1, 2012
For those not aware TWU at SWA is ramp/ops
IAM is FL ramp
SWA Customer service is IAM also.....
xUT
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Fact is, "YOU DO NOT KNOW"!, dispatchers arbitration has not been decided yet you 'claim' it has. It may very will be as you 'claim' but without an official ruling, you are speculating (at best).
I may have missed the ruling, and if so, please provide a link.
Regards,
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I have a friend that is in dispatching and she said there was an official ruling and it was a 4 year bump.
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