IBT No Show Forum

[swamt]

Read the "Its your call" transcript again. This is the part I was refering to:

A brief update on seniority integration, I think everybody's well aware that the first SLI proposal was voted down and we have quickly regrouped with both unions and have put forth a proposed process agreement that both unions are evaluating right now. And then in a parallel path we are working on a revised SLI proposal; I should say we are simply facilitating, the unions are working on a revised SLI proposal, and we hope to have some progress on that shortly.


That is from Brian Hirshman's mouth.
It says a process agreement.
Maybe he means a transition agreement, or a process agreement for the transition.
But in the pilots case thier "process agreement" spelled out how the whole negotiation process would go, upto and including binding arbitration.
If this is similar to that, then I don't see us agreeing to anything that says we will accept an arbitrators ruling as final.

I am probably just reading to much into his words "process agreement".
But maybe not. The company doesn't want this to go on too long.
They want to see the end game.
Their problem is the same as Airtran's.
If we don't like it, we won't vote for it and it will take a long time.

It does state that it will go as far as binding arbitration. And yes it's binding, there will be no vote from the mechanics once an arbitrador rules, as far as the integration goes.

 

[WNMECH]

It does state that it will go as far as binding arbitration. And yes it's binding, there will be no vote from the mechanics once an arbitrador rules, as far as the integration goes.

I am aware of that. But if we don't vote in a transition agreement and a joint CBA,then the "binding" decision will not be in effect.
What I am saying is that the pilots "process agreement" was a separate document that both parties agreed to spelling out what each side would have to do to bring all of their negotiations to an end.
We do not plan on letting the process end if we go to arbitration, and therefor should not agree to a "process agreement" that ties our hands in the event of an arbitration ruling that we don't think we can accept.

 

[Dove Tail :)]

True.
The problem for you is time in on our side.
We got all the tme in the world and won't be voting in a joint CBA if we get an arbitrated ruling we don't like.
Lets see if you can take some time to the bank and pay your bills with it.

 

[Dove Tail :)]

Like I said before time is more valuable than money. If you don't get an arbitrated ruling to your liking to bad it's binding. If you want to pout like a little school girl and hold up the joint CBA then so be it. As far as money it is not guaranteed. If the company gets pinched financially because of the effects on the economy from the rising fuel costs. Don't you think they can ask for financial relief from their labor groups. To prevent a threat to the bottom line and profit sharing. I have read somewhere that SWA employees helped the company out in difficult times before.

4 years is unreasonable and if another airline is acquired and they are dovetailed it would move an AT mechanic further down the list. When AT is absorbed fully into SWA the seniority is diluted and the majority of AT mechanics will just stay their respective stations. I'm not sure how the AMFA contract reads but, I would assume that one can not transfer to another station unless there is a posted opening. The only movement that would be threaten would be forced moves because of job cuts. This is where seniority would come into play. Basically everyone will remain where they are at and if and when more work and flights are added along with more jobs for the hanger and line. They would hire to fill those positions and more shifts and better days off would be created and the new hires would fill those and current employees would bid according to seniority for better days off and shifts. I highly doubt SWA bought Airtran to stagnate and not grow the airline further. They did their homework and looks like big things are on the horizon.

 

[lineguy]

I'm not sure how the AMFA contract reads but, I would assume that one can not transfer to another station unless there is a posted opening. The only movement that would be threaten would be forced moves because of job cuts. This is where seniority would come into play.

Actually, this is where our LOA would come into play. Job cuts mean people on the street. The first to go would be Air Tran mechanics. The cuts would have to start there.

 

[WNMECH]

I'm not sure how the AMFA contract reads but, I would assume that one can not transfer to another station unless there is a posted opening. The only movement that would be threaten would be forced moves because of job cuts. This is where seniority would come into play. Basically everyone will remain where they are at and if and when more work and flights are added along with more jobs for the hanger and line. They would hire to fill those positions and more shifts and better days off would be created and the new hires would fill those and current employees would bid according to seniority for better days off and shifts.

Yes, you are correct, this is how it works.
No one can move into a station unless there is a job to be filled.
No open jobs, no movement.
Unless some jobs were abolished. then the company is required to create other position elsewhere and the affected mechanics would use there senority to carry them where they can.
But under our contract no one can be layed off while the company is outsourcing work. all that work would have to come back in house before a single layoff.
We have this protection in our contract. This is not the LOA protection. It is our contract language.
You do not have this protection.
Not until us schoolgirls allow you to join us on our contract.
Therefor if any layoffs are needed before there is a joint CBA,
then the Airtran mechanics are the only ones vunerable.

See you on the playground.

 

[xUT]

IMHO,
The main advantage of LUV is it's ability to be nimble.
Fly a route and dump it if it's not profitable.
Don't make the same mistakes that the legacies have made with unions mandating routes, maintenance, bases, and head count.

If AMFA continues to be the log jam in mergers and acquisitions, that will leave LUV at a disadvantage to be 'nimble' in the market place. Drag this out too long and LUV may not take advantage of future opportunities knowing the fight with AMFA will be too expensive/painful.
Concentrate on pay and benefits.
LUV has great people and a great franchise, just don't screw it up.

Take Care,
B) xUT

 

[WNMECH]

IMHO,
The main advantage of LUV is it's ability to be nimble.
Fly a route and dump it if it's not profitable.
Don't make the same mistakes that the legacies have made with unions mandating routes, maintenance, bases, and head count.

If AMFA continues to be the log jam in mergers and acquisitions, that will leave LUV at a disadvantage to be 'nimble' in the market place. Drag this out too long and LUV may not take advantage of future opportunities knowing the fight with AMFA will be too expensive/painful.
Concentrate on pay and benefits.
LUV has great people and a great franchise, just don't screw it up.

Take Care,
B) xUT

Amfa is not the only group on property to not have an agreement.
I think we can handle this without you this time.

 

[xUT]

Amfa is not the only group on property to not have an agreement.
I think we can handle this without you this time.

Of course, you can do what you want. Did I state otherwise or did you miss the 'IMHO'?
If you don't like me posting here, you have 3 options:

1. Get me banned.
2. Put me on ignore.
3. Get your own forum that only allows input from people you approve of.

Until then, I will continue to use my right to post my opinion, as well as you.

Yes I know dealing with the ibt from an AMFA position is painful.
AFL/CIO "HATES" AMFA and will do anything to undermine AMFA.
Too bad that the AT guys/n'gals couldn't change to AMFA as soon as the acquisition was announced.

I still believe in AMFA.
HONOR SKILL INTEGRITY!

Take Care,
B) xUT

 

[WNMECH]

If you don't like me posting here, you have 3 options:

1. Get me banned.
2. Put me on ignore.
3. Get your own forum that only allows input from people you approve of.



Take Care,
B) xUT

4. I can continue to point out that your ridiculous humble opinions don't mean squat. Since you don't work at either SWA or AT, you don't have to live under the results of these negotiations at SWA.

 

[xUT]

4. I can continue to point out that your ridiculous humble opinions don't mean squat. Since you don't work at either SWA or AT, you don't have to live under the results of these negotiations at SWA.

Regardless, If they don't mean squat, why reply?
Also, the 'xNUT' is a modification of a post in violation of board rules (much less an immature retort).
Is that what you did at amfanuts.com?

B) xUT

 

[WNMECH]

Regardless, If they don't mean squat, why reply?
Also, the 'xNUT' is a modification of a post in violation of board rules (much less an immature retort).
Is that what you did at amfanuts.com?

B) xUT

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Hows that for immature?
5. Just because you don't have a dog in this fight and your opinions don't mean squat on this subject. It doesn't mean I can't reply to point it out. eh xNUT

Oh let me guess, another violation oops.

 

[xUT]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Hows that for imature?
5. Just because you don't have a dog in this fight and your opinions don't mean squt on this subject. Doesn't mean I can't reply to point it out. eh xNUT

Oh let me guess, another violation oops.

Other than you appear to be childish in need of a spell check program, I think your retort speaks for itself.
Hopefully, you are not a representative of the majority of AMFA at SWA.

B) xUT

 

[WNMECH]

Other than you appear to be childish in need of a spell check program, I think your retort speaks for itself.
Hopefully, you are not a representative of the majority of AMFA at SWA.

B) xUT

Spelling? really?
It always come to that as a last resort when you are exposed as poking your nose in our business.
I am a representative of only myself and others can speak for themselves.
But please keep posting on your nostalgic memories of the AMFA of yore.
Tell us how you stuck it to the man in your day in AMFA.

 

[lineguy]

Other than you appear to be childish in need of a spell check program, I think your retort speaks for itself.
Hopefully, you are not a representative of the majority of AMFA at SWA.

B) xUT

You came over to stir the pot again I see. Bored?