The IBT will more than likely wait until the horizon air deal is done one way or the other, and if they loose representation, they will reject ANY offer AMFA SWA submits REGARDLESS of what is good for the membership , so sad.... I feel bad for the AT mechs who are resonable, but will have no voice because the IBT has no democratic process. Its easy for me to see as we were represented by the IBT 10 years or so back, Its just sad a group can be so controlling and prevent a core membership from even getting the chance to vote... Boy thats a democratic union.... why not put a vote out to see if the majority wants to vote????
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Absolutely, A TRUE TEAMSTER.... LET THE MEMBERS DECIDE, on both sides. if its yes so be it , if its no so be it. For gods sake quit telling us what the members want and put it to a vote.
AvTech04
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Well, I'm not entertaining the SWA mechanic or whoever that troll is portraying like an AT mech. I know how many truly feel about this deal. I've heard both yes and no's, from both Atlanta and Orlando, so I know that guy doesn't know what they're taking about. Especially if he truly believes the last deal was a good one... And if he is from Atlanta, then the fear mongering is getting to to him...
I never posts what I don't think is beneficial to the AT guys and I'm fine with it going out for vote. Let the votes speak for themselves and the fear mongering continue until then, treblecock's threat to put AT mechs on the street must be working..
I've only been on here speaking the truth as I know it and giving the information as its handed to me. I haven't changed my position on anything even with the childish name calling and insults. I especially can't stand the teamsters for what they've done to us, especially when we needed them the most.
Although, I have been re considering this new offer from just tonights conversation amongst other mechanics, especially since the fences and LOA's are going away. They've given me a point of view that I haven't considered yet, the MCO mechs. I think this is a better deal then the last one and can now see why AMFA is pushing it so hard.
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Well from the AT mechanics I've talked to and there seniority is varied but they say they want this current offer to be put out for a vote. These are all Atlanta guys btw. I think AVTech04 speaks for som but not the majority just like all work groups. But when I heard awhile back from I think your #2 mechanic that he is willing to give up 40% of his seniority that says a lot. And I think that if this current offer is voted on it would pass with ease from what I'm hearing from the Atlanta guys.
Here is the problem with all this talk, The IBT who represents the AT Mechs will not let them decide. Just like when they represented us, they will not have a democratic process and let the members decide. The IBT is going to drag their feet pending the horizon deal and then adjust their game plan accordingly. The core membership at AT had better make their voices heard LOUD AND CLEAR. This needs to be voted regardless of who thinks it will pass or fail. The members need to be heard by a vote. WE really need to move forward as a single group firing on all cylinders to capitalize on this oppurtunity to help SWA make some more capital and position itself for further growth. A situation in which we ALL win. My biggest fear is the IBT will intentionally scuttle the process and delay our further sucess, DELAY.
AvTech04
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And you'd be correct. I never stated that I speak for anyone as a matter of fact. I've only stated that I speak with many and get input as well as give output to those I speak to... And as I said in my previous post, after having an insightful conversation about this current offer, I am re-considering and re-weighing my opinion's. I'd lost light on some of the facts out there and was asked a question that I could not answer with out being a hypocrite...
It was presented to me very simply, by another mechanic that gave me a different perspective. He asked, If I were asked 2 years by SWA, before the acquisition, to come on board with my current seniority, my current position, better benefits, more pay, continue working on the same equipment that I am working on now and simply asked to change my uniform and give the current mechanics a few years more seniority, would I do it?? My honest answer was yes, I would!! If this would have been presented to me in this kind of manner and perspective, then I would of been a lot more willing to move to years rather than stay on my % kick.. But SWA and AMFA came at it from a fear tactic angle that didn't sit well with me and my natural reaction was to protect and defend, as it is with most people..
So, coincidentally only, in light of our new SWA friend on the forum posting as an AT mechanic, which had no influence on my decision what so ever, I've come around to actually consider this offer. But I am still proud to say that I voted NO on the last offer!!!
Lets out it to vote and see what happens!
BTW, the time stamps on these posts tonight are impeccable! From lineguy, to SWA.TECH and our new friend atmech01... and the verbiage coincides with my theory as well, especially after lineguys TROLL posting.. That's a clever maneuver! lol
AvTech04
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And you'd be correct. I never stated that I speak for anyone as a matter of fact. I've only stated that I speak with many and get input as well as give output to those I speak to... And as I said in my previous post, after having an insightful conversation about this current offer, I am re-considering and re-weighing my opinion's. I'd lost light on some of the facts out there and was asked a question that I could not answer with out being a hypocrite...
It was presented to me very simply, by another mechanic that gave me a different perspective. He asked, If I were asked 2 years by SWA, before the acquisition, to come on board with my current seniority, my current position, better benefits, more pay, continue working on the same equipment that I am working on now and simply asked to change my uniform and give the current mechanics a few years more seniority, would I do it?? My honest answer was yes, I would!! If this would have been presented to me in this kind of manner and perspective, then I would of been a lot more willing to move to years rather than stay on my % kick.. But SWA and AMFA came at it from a fear tactic angle that didn't sit well with me and my natural reaction was to protect and defend, as it is with most people..
So, coincidentally only, in light of our new SWA friend on the forum posting as an AT mechanic, which had no influence on my decision what so ever, I've come around to actually consider this offer. But I am still proud to say that I voted NO on the last offer!!!
Lets put it to vote and see what happens!
BTW, the time stamps on these posts tonight are impeccable! From lineguy, to SWA.TECH and our new friend atmech01... and the verbiage coincides with my theory as well, especially after lineguys TROLL posting.. That's a clever maneuver! lol
AvTech04
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Oh, and on the spineless comment, I was merely trying to bring the ATmech01 portrayer to light... I knew that person, or couple of people, would use that as a tool to fire back at me but under their SWA logins... Guess who are the 2 that did... :blink:
Not quite sure what youre implying about the time stamps , verbage , or troll post? However I dont think the IBT will give us a chance to vote on it , based on my most recent previous replys. I am in no way associated with lineguy or atmech01 (who I agree is an imposter, I did find it amusing though) with the exception that I am an SWA AMT. And I also agree with lineguy about XUT and tech2101 or whatever his sig is , as far as the fact that they have no dog in this fight. I would also add I feel they are severely disgruntled ex major guys, and its not there fault they were subjected to piss poor management decisions, there is probably a condition associated with this , like post poor management syndrome , or something PPMS..... Anyway I honestly dont believe we will get a chance to vote because IBT knows whats best....
Time stamps? Keep reaching. I don't know who ATmech01 is either. Not my style but if you want to believe it's me, knock yourself out.
Your spineless comment was indeed directed at all the AT yes voters. I was merely pointing out this fact.
AvTech04
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I would like to point out that SWA MX and AMFA agreed to outsourcing certain MX which in turn allowed the company to save millions of dollars in MX costs, do you think any of that $$$ was used to help pay of some of the 2 billion in debt AT owned at date of purchase.....
Bean counters don't look at anything within mx as cost saving. Everything is an expense. Either your revenue is greater than your expense (profit) or your revenue is less than your expense (loss). Cost saving is a term used by everyone outside of finance to make sure they stay on track with their budgetary requirements. It's very hard to put a real value or dollar amount to how much we save by outsourcing. The numbers are very subjective and easy to manipulate.
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