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And once again the % stuff is off the table. Rather boost or reduction. I think I know who you are and this is a BS post. Nice try.
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And once again the % stuff is off the table. Rather boost or reduction. I think I know who you are and this is a BS post. Nice try.
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You are absolutely correct sir. We are not in any kind of rush what so ever. And we can take as long as we need to take, to get a fair deal. Matter fact we could take years and years, if need be. We are not gaining anything like the AT guys are gaining. I do think the AT guys are in a big hurry to get on our contract and pay and bennies. If the teamsters/ibt continue to play their political games, then this will in fact go on for many years with seperate contracts until all the leagal issues are worked out and settled.
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If its a real post, the way I see it if he is willing to take a 30-35% hit then a 4 year bump in our seniority should be a yes vote.
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I honestly don't see how a 4 year boost is a fair deal... It essentially staples over half the AT seniority list to the bottom of the SWA list. If you guys can't see how unfair that offer is then there really is very little hope in getting this done outside of arbitration... I'm in no hurry to get a fair deal as well. There may be more money on the "greener" side of the fence, but not enough for me to vote in that ridiculous of an offer... Now, if it were for a year bump on bidding rights only, shifts, slots, etc... Then if have no problem voting it in.. Hell, I'll even give all SWA mechs first dibs on whatever slots they want for a period of time... But if layoff or furloughs come around, since the percentages are off the rable, then I want DOH, maybe give a year or 2... But, then again, that's just opinion and the opinion I give others that I speak to. Most agree and some don't, but never the less, that's where I stand... Now, of it went to percentages, of 30%, then one time and done, but for some reason, your persistent on these hard years... I can wait it out if need be, I make a decent living @ 37/hr. So I might not get a raise, but neither will any SWA mechanic either, because you'll never renegotiate your CBA, and I'm sure the publicity of any AT mechanic losing their jobs is going to sit well with SWA too, of it comes down to that.. Which I highly doubt it will...
Step back and grasp the bigger picture. A big pay raise is coming your way. Better benefits for you and your family. Those unlimited day trades you were raving over in a previous post. More days off a year. Job security that working at SW provides. The list goes on. Ask yourself , "In light of what I'm getting, what am I willing to give"? Obviously your answer is..................nothing.
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He said he didn't want the last deal either but his side voted for it so I wouldn't put a lot into what he says.
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You're absolutly right, I didn't agree with the last deal either because it would never form a singular group, we would of always been divided up and I thought it defeated the whole purpose of a union. I believe that SWA mechs shouldn't limited to where they can move to same as I believe AT mechs shouldn't be limited. Obviously AMFA had other intentions with the march 29 LOA.... But never the less, this is a totally different offer and AT mechs are not taking it lightly so the outcome may be different if it goes to vote...
@lineguy, on the contrary, I have weighed the options, even posted them on the forum a few times. Pros, cons, possible outcomes. And I've always been willing to give something in order I appease you guys and I am still willing to give a fair amount even after all the bantering about with ridiculous grievances and insults. Like I've said from the start, I do look forward to the perks that becomes a full fledge SWA mech,, pay, bennies, QOL, etc... So, to me, and a lot of others at Airtran, a fair trade would be our overall increase. I'll give you SWA mechs and AMFA 30% of my seniority, without fuss or argument, for the 30% increase in QOL increase that is estimated we gain. But that includes removing all protections and the march 29 LOA. The AT committee knows that's what a lot of us want to offer up in order to move forward as does the SWA committee and I'd be willing to bet that if that was what we were voting on then it would probably pass and we could all move on with our lives... Instead, SWA mechs that work the hangar during the day in DAL unanimously voted on the 4 year boost offer by a show of hands, so that's what they ran with.
To all the committee members and followers that I know are reading these posts, do you want this done? Do you want to be able to negotiate your next contract this year? Do you want the 401k increase and possibly some sort I pay increase in your next CBA sooner rather than later?? Then accept what a lot are offering to give and let's move on!! Any and everyone on here knows that the 4 year boost is A LOT, and it is is very unfair and inequitable, better than the last offer yes, but still unfair. Take the 30% and let's move on!
Thank you for calrifying what we will be "offered" to "move on" Heres the offer, 4 years. We are moving on , the canyon blue paint is being sprayed, our 800 etops is on the ramp at kbfi. Beilieve me , we are moving on. You can get on board or wait it out, your choice.
Actually, its not your choice because the IBT more than likely wont allow it to be voted on... We voted on the last deal what would it hurt to vote on this one??? if its true the majority doesnt want it then the only way to substantiate this claim is to vote on it. Then we can take the long road.
You are correct which means we would take a 3 or 4 year cut and those under that number would be a %. From what we've heard from SWA mechs they do not want the boost!
I'm sure you think you know who I am! Whatever.
I along with others I know would vote yes for a 4 year boost, no fences, and displacement protection in MCO and BWI.
However I will also add there is a contingency of hardliners that will always want the staple. I am confident we can come to a reasonable agreement. When you consider the 35% pay increase, better cheaper health benefits, a profit sharing program, and a superior 401k match , if one was to take full advantage of these the economic gains it would be quite a bit more than a 35% increase.... Anyway I digress.
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And then what?? If gets voted down, we're back to square 1, if it passes, which I doubt but could be close, then yea we'd move on. Why not take the for sure way and be done? What make this more difficult than it has to be?? The 4 year vote is questionable, the 30%, which was SWA mechs idea BTW, is almost certian. Then WE could all push for the 4th line of MX because there would be no reason or excuse for SWA to get relief from it. Right now, they are going to keep the partition excuse, but with us voted into AMFA, you'd get the 401, AMFA would get $30k more/ month, and we'd all work together to negotiate a new CBA which could lead to some much needed language can changes and possibly more money. I say again, I weigh out he odds pretty accurately, I stated that the last offer was probably going to pass by 80% on the AT side and fail by 70% on the SWA side. Now I can tell you that the 4 year boost has a lot less chance of passing than the 30% does. If you offer is 4 year boost, I'd predict AT fail by about 60%, from what I'm hearing around te floor and from emails and phone calls. But, I've still been encouraging the 30% reduction and that has a favorable outcome that I think would pass by over 80% on the AT side and around 80% on the SWA side. Again, I'm just weighing the odds but what I see and hear. If you want to drag this out and have the IBT continuously ignore all of us, then keep pushing the 4 years. But if you really want to move on, then put the 30% out for vote and i bet it will pass on both ends...
Look dude, those fear mongering threads YOU'VE started aren't working. They are actually having the adverse affect that you obviously intended them to have. Especially the AT working on SWA planes thread, I really got a kick out of that!! It's already been tried and failed, once on date of aquisition and once on SOC. Everyone knows this step of the process, being our advisors, telling us what's in our best interest like you actually care, even acting casual like it doesn't matter to you. These are all phases of those process and most at AirTran should know it by now. I'm not here to play anymore games, I want this done and over with so this thread can die off like a fart in the wind and we can all move forward together. So, if AMFA's final offer is 4 years, then arbitraion will probably be the outcome whether we vote or not, but if you want to avoid it, like most claim they do, then I'm giving all of you our secret number, 30%... If AMFA makes that offer, I can almost gaurantee the IBT will listen... And to those at AirTran who disagree with me, ask your peers and see what they think before clobbering me with the insults. I want this done and am not voting in the 4 year boost.
Well im sure glad we know where you stand! As far as my other post regarding AT working on SWA equipment, read the contractual agrrement in force. Put the 4 years to vote and we can see exactly where we stand. But as I said the IBT is so spitefull they wont let there members make the decision, similar to the "closed door" negotiation debacle they pulled when they represented SWA MX...... Sooooo I guess you know where that leaves us. A long way away from anywhere.
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