I agree. Put it out to a vote and let the members decide, just like AMFA did with the last offer that the majority of the nego team did not recommend or agree to. Sometimes you just have to let the members decide for themselves. The company should ask for the same thing since they are in such a hurry to get this done. Remember folks, the company has stated they will file for arbitration if they see either side stalling. Cmon IBT let's keep this moving forward..
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I have set back and listened to you amfa guys tell two sides to the story through out this whole ordeal. Playing "good cop-bad cop" with us. But for any of you to think that the way this is being handled, when this is over, that we can be one cohesive workgroup, shows the arrogance and spoiled-brat mentality that the rest of the industry sees you for.
I've been through alot in my years as a mechanic in this industry. With rising fuel costs, threat of nuclear war between isreal and iran, major airlines merging, an economy that will worsen when obama is reelected,etc..; it looks like your "golden dome" is about to come crashing down.
Yes, swa has alot of cash in the bank. And yes, they have no history of layoffs. Positive after positive after positive. For every airline, it stopped sometime. When swa decides to cut-back, if you think the pilots and fa's are going to be the only ones giving concessions to the company, your crazy. I've seen amfa have an "iron-clad contract" before, and thousands of mechanics ended up on the streets.
Some of them work there and some work here now. Ask them about the glory days. If you guys can't set aside your "we're superior" mentality for just a minute, we will never be the union amfa envisioned.
A majority of you see this as us vs. them, and swa luvs that. Because a work group divided helps them. I DO want to sit down and have a beer with you guys, and swap stories of the glory days, and discuss how we can make our brotherhood stronger. I just can't see it happening when instead of rolling out the welcome mat to a 20% bump in membership to strengthen the union, you look at us in a greedy, self-centered way like Cramer said "doing nothing for you but diluting you seniority".
I DO hope a truely "fair and equitable" agreement can be reached before arbitration. I DO hope we can unite under a common flag to have a true "brotherhood". I DO hope to come to Dallas and have a beer with you all. (Or phoenix, chicago, las vegas, wherever)
This was my first and last post. Just had to get my 2¢ in. The best advice out there is for airtran ibt brothers to stop posting. But it actually is great advice for both sides. All we're doing is creating animosity amongst ourselves and there will never be a true winner. Remember, we are not the only ones who read this thread. Just think of who else does and what information they gather.
I've been through alot in my years as a mechanic in this industry. With rising fuel costs, threat of nuclear war between isreal and iran, major airlines merging, an economy that will worsen when obama is reelected,etc..; it looks like your "golden dome" is about to come crashing down.
Yes, swa has alot of cash in the bank. And yes, they have no history of layoffs. Positive after positive after positive. For every airline, it stopped sometime. When swa decides to cut-back, if you think the pilots and fa's are going to be the only ones giving concessions to the company, your crazy. I've seen amfa have an "iron-clad contract" before, and thousands of mechanics ended up on the streets.
Some of them work there and some work here now. Ask them about the glory days. If you guys can't set aside your "we're superior" mentality for just a minute, we will never be the union amfa envisioned.
A majority of you see this as us vs. them, and swa luvs that. Because a work group divided helps them. I DO want to sit down and have a beer with you guys, and swap stories of the glory days, and discuss how we can make our brotherhood stronger. I just can't see it happening when instead of rolling out the welcome mat to a 20% bump in membership to strengthen the union, you look at us in a greedy, self-centered way like Cramer said "doing nothing for you but diluting you seniority".
I DO hope a truely "fair and equitable" agreement can be reached before arbitration. I DO hope we can unite under a common flag to have a true "brotherhood". I DO hope to come to Dallas and have a beer with you all. (Or phoenix, chicago, las vegas, wherever)
This was my first and last post. Just had to get my 2¢ in. The best advice out there is for airtran ibt brothers to stop posting. But it actually is great advice for both sides. All we're doing is creating animosity amongst ourselves and there will never be a true winner. Remember, we are not the only ones who read this thread. Just think of who else does and what information they gather.
All the workgroups at SWA think the AT people should give up something to get the hard fought for benefits we enjoy (not just the mechanics).
It is down to just how much is fair.
If this is settled out of arbitration then we will have agreed to something.
If that happens we will be one group. you will be under AMFA, and we will fight for you just as hard as we do ourselves.
If you guys can look to the benefits and not the sacrifice, we will be fine.
I truelly believe the new blood and passion you bring to AMFA will be a good thing.
However arbitration means war and future problems.
I hope to be able to buy the beer and enjoy the stories instead.
sincerely,
Good Cop. 🙂
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Swadl
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Ok so there are two AT mechanics on a road trip to PHX. And when they are done with their work for the night they go into the SWA line break room. Then they take off there shoes, recline the chairs back and go to sleep. Needless to say this didn't go over well in PHX. To me it's a bit over the top. I personally have no problem with the AT guys using the break room and relaxing watching some TV. But I disagree with them kicking their shoes off sleeping in the break room taking up good lazy boys from the SWA guys. I think instead they should have been up talking to the guys maybe even talking about the integration so far. But to me they never should have done what they did. How about I go into your house drink your good scotch, smoke your cigars then go to sleep in your bed? Well I don't think that would go over well in Atlanta! Like I said I have no problem with AT or any other airline mechanic coming over and using my break room but lets not over do it.
That seems to back-up the notion that alot of the airtran mechanics have a sense of entitlement. They think everything we have is theirs, given to them on a silver platter.
AvTech04
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First of all, its a magnesium platter that is gold plated, not silver... Secondly, if you can gauge the future of 357 mechanics off an isolated incident, like PHX, that you were probably not even there to witness but instead heard it through the convoluted grapevine, then you're highly disappointing.. Especially since that story was extremely exaggerated and those guys actually did talk to some of the mechanics which in turn, invited them to their breakroom..
I hear rumors all the time of how SWA mechs show no respect for AT mechs when they cross paths, and i've even witnesse a few.. Guys to good to look at you and acknowledge your existence when you salute them, then there are other guys at SWA who I've held conversations with and we salute eachother everytime we see eachother. What I'm getting at is don't let theses little hiccups distract us from being what is inevitably going to be a single workgroup that has to work together. That's just a lame ass reason to not want to get along...
I still don't think this will be resolved before arbitration, I hope it is and I know it can be, but I believe it won't. And yes, the repercussions from an arbitrators decision can result in a 'war' so to speak amongst ourselves but only if WE allow it too!!!
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Swadl
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AVTech04- I wasn't there in PHX but was told that story by the guy who was there and told the AT mechanic to get out. He is not one to lye or really exaggerate but he may have not told me the events of the whole evening. But the fact that they were in the break room with shoes off kicking back in the chair sleeping is not a lye or exaggeration. I was told by another SWA mechanic that one of the AT mechanics that was there was a cool guy and very friendly. I'm not saying they both were not cool or friendly but only received info about the one. Anyway I think if this goes to arbitration it will always be two different groups and that we will never get a new combined contract SWA mechanics will stay on our current contract and AT will stay on their current contract. Hopefully the current offer gets looked at by all the AT mechanics and that they get to decide there destiny.
i think i am missing the whole point here....if they were not from the station, why were they not sent to a hotel to rest and take a shower, get chow...etc...etc. plus with the pigs that we have at dallas line, they would fit right in....so all i am saying is i wasn't there, but something is wrong with the whole picture.
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Swadl
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Maybe AT doesn't send there mechanics to the Hotel afterwards.
you are correct sir, thanks for joining the discussion.....save your money kids, the crap is going to hit the fan....cash is king, protect your credit rating. prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
well that would certainly be a kick in the butt then, and i would have done the same thing...actually have done the same thing in kansas city, of course they don't have an overnight crew, but i certainly crashed there, took a steamer in their toilet, drank their sodas...etc...etc.
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Swadl
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He is probily just a junior mechanic that can only wish some day to be able to hold DAL line.
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