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[swamt]

Thanks for the update, this sounds like it's a lot of quotes over a period of different meetings, not just one. But never the less, it's not alarming to anyone. We all knew the 717's expiration date's, we actually hoped SWA would use them to strike a deal with boeing for more -800's or MAX airplanes.. It's the most feasible alternative since SWA isn't keeping a pretty good bit of AT's 717 major markets.. Again, no shock there, this was already expected. Hell, even Hirshman told us before the date of closing that they probably weren't going to keep them for too long.

What I find the most interesting about this article is what I Bolded and underlined above.. I remember similar statements made to the AA and Delta employees just prior to bankruptcy... It sounds to me like the fear monger here is the CEO himself. Read it carefully, as contract negotiations are coming up.. Don't be surprised if GK asks for concessions from SWA labor groups and soon, regardless if AT is assimilated or not! Otherwise, it's probable that bankruptcy and a reorganization is in order for all of us within the next 5 years, giving SWA some relief from it's labor agreements and allowing them to restructure without having to bring outsourced work in-house first..

This article just has the adverse effect to resolving our SLI issues prior to arbitration. From my interpretation of this article, it makes me want to give less and less seniority. Maybe that'e GK's goal, keep us separated so he could dismantle the higher cost group, or maybe strike fear into all of us to get this done and concede in the labor agreements without resistance... I really couldn't say for sure, but, like i said above, that one statement scares me more than any other in this post..

The only thing I do not agree with is the bankruptse statement made.

AvTech04,
I agree with your entire post. However after reading it several times and studying the statements just prior to and aft of the para you bolded, I have to think GK is refering more to rules and language not so much wages. I also think maybe he was leaning towards the flight crews getting some international rules ironed out before the intl flights start, as he said earlier in article that they are resticted to the lower 48 states currently.
Did anyone also catch the quote from GK where SWA and Boeing has already come to an agreement with the 717's?
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"But AirTran's leases on those planes don't begin expiring until 2017 and run to 2024. So Southwest has reached agreement with Boeing—from whom it leases the aircraft—to try to place the planes elsewhere."

"If we can't find a home for them, we'll fly them and pay for them, or not fly them and pay for them," he said.

Again I take the post as "more directed" towards the flt crews, but not dismissing it entirely to mean all groups.
I also agree with you that this is GK's way of applying a little pressure on the mechanics group as he did with the pilots group to get the 2nd offer voted on, I see him doing the exact same thing here and now, matter fact look for more statements in the near future, if something isn't announced by that March 1, 20112 SOC date. The company's time line to get this new agreement with the mechanics is expadited to the point of is it fiesably possible.

 

[grmach1]

Thanks for the update, this sounds like it's a lot of quotes over a period of different meetings, not just one. But never the less, it's not alarming to anyone. We all knew the 717's expiration date's, we actually hoped SWA would use them to strike a deal with boeing for more -800's or MAX airplanes.. It's the most feasible alternative since SWA isn't keeping a pretty good bit of AT's 717 major markets.. Again, no shock there, this was already expected. Hell, even Hirshman told us before the date of closing that they probably weren't going to keep them for too long.

What I find the most interesting about this article is what I Bolded and underlined above.. I remember similar statements made to the AA and Delta employees just prior to bankruptcy... It sounds to me like the fear monger here is the CEO himself. Read it carefully, as contract negotiations are coming up.. Don't be surprised if GK asks for concessions from SWA labor groups and soon, regardless if AT is assimilated or not! Otherwise, it's probable that bankruptcy and a reorganization is in order for all of us within the next 5 years, giving SWA some relief from it's labor agreements and allowing them to restructure without having to bring outsourced work in-house first..

This article just has the adverse effect to resolving our SLI issues prior to arbitration. From my interpretation of this article, it makes me want to give less and less seniority. Maybe that'e GK's goal, keep us separated so he could dismantle the higher cost group, or maybe strike fear into all of us to get this done and concede in the labor agreements without resistance... I really couldn't say for sure, but, like i said above, that one statement scares me more than any other in this post..

Take this as a sign of things to come. You"re gambling with your future, I would be careful if I was you. One thing we Swa employees know is tread lightly with GK.

 

[duffa01]

Take this as a sign of things to come. You"re gambling with your future, I would be careful if I was you. One thing we Swa employees know is tread lightly with GK.

gary kelly is a doofus, and is putting southwest airlines on the fast track to insolvency. did gary hold his pay...no it doubled, did gary tie his stock options on company performance...no, just more stock dilution for the rest of us, did gary hold the line on hiring management...no, it is a empire building mentality that is built upon the backs of the common worker, and when the day comes, and it will come, guess who will get the blame.

 

[grmach1]

Take this as a sign of things to come. You"re gambling with your future, I would be careful if I was you. One thing we Swa employees know is tread lightly with GK.

No one ever said he wasn't a "Dufus". That makes him twice as dangerous.

 

[duffa01]

No one ever said he wasn't a "Dufus". That makes him twice as dangerous.

just another reason to tack on the station closing, reduction in force, and "stand in stead" clause....because they want this bad...and if we stick in something innocuous they won't think they are really giving us anything. another reason they want it so bad was brought to my attention...millions of dollars in management bonus money if they get this done quickly! may or may not be true...we will never know.

 

[lineguy]

Thanks for the update, this sounds like it's a lot of quotes over a period of different meetings, not just one. But never the less, it's not alarming to anyone. We all knew the 717's expiration date's, we actually hoped SWA would use them to strike a deal with boeing for more -800's or MAX airplanes.. It's the most feasible alternative since SWA isn't keeping a pretty good bit of AT's 717 major markets.. Again, no shock there, this was already expected. Hell, even Hirshman told us before the date of closing that they probably weren't going to keep them for too long.

What I find the most interesting about this article is what I Bolded and underlined above.. I remember similar statements made to the AA and Delta employees just prior to bankruptcy... It sounds to me like the fear monger here is the CEO himself. Read it carefully, as contract negotiations are coming up.. Don't be surprised if GK asks for concessions from SWA labor groups and soon, regardless if AT is assimilated or not! Otherwise, it's probable that bankruptcy and a reorganization is in order for all of us within the next 5 years, giving SWA some relief from it's labor agreements and allowing them to restructure without having to bring outsourced work in-house first..

This article just has the adverse effect to resolving our SLI issues prior to arbitration. From my interpretation of this article, it makes me want to give less and less seniority. Maybe that'e GK's goal, keep us separated so he could dismantle the higher cost group, or maybe strike fear into all of us to get this done and concede in the labor agreements without resistance... I really couldn't say for sure, but, like i said above, that one statement scares me more than any other in this post..

This is a good example of reverse fear-mongering.

 

[lineguy]

just another reason to tack on the station closing, reduction in force, and "stand in stead" clause...

Would you mind explaining this please?

 

[Flman]

Does anyone have any update?

 

[AvTech04]

This is a good example of reverse fear-mongering.

hopefully we'll never know

 

[swamt]

Does anyone have any update?

Nothing as of yet. The only thing I have heard is they still having discussions over the phone about where they are and where it is going. Not hearing anything negative so far, seems to be moving forward.

 

[swamt]

hopefully we'll never know

I agree. I think no news is better than bad news. I believe the offer is still in AT/IBT hands for review. If any of the AT guys hear anything please let us know, as we will do the same.

 

[duffa01]

Would you mind explaining this please?

sorrry, just a little slow with the reply. it is my opinion that in the agreement we should ask for moving expenses for union members that have their station closed, at least one years pay for union members if there is a reduction of force, and a clause that allows union members of like category to volunteer to take the reduction of force instead of just sending the junior guys to the street. it would be nice to have it in the contract, and all subject to what we get negotiated, but you have just seen the airtran station closings and what happened to those displaced employees...so don't think it can't or won't happen to us. so if we can get precedent in this agreement, because the company wants it so bad, i hope we can sneak something in that will benefit all of us in the long run.

 

[swamt]

sorrry, just a little slow with the reply. it is my opinion that in the agreement we should ask for moving expenses for union members that have their station closed, at least one years pay for union members if there is a reduction of force, and a clause that allows union members of like category to volunteer to take the reduction of force instead of just sending the junior guys to the street. it would be nice to have it in the contract, and all subject to what we get negotiated, but you have just seen the airtran station closings and what happened to those displaced employees...so don't think it can't or won't happen to us. so if we can get precedent in this agreement, because the company wants it so bad, i hope we can sneak something in that will benefit all of us in the long run.

Although I believe it's too late to try to get it in the transisional agreement, I like the way your thinking. Maybe we can throw this into the combining into one CBA language.
This is why we should be talking like this. At has great input and ideas. I love the one AT has that we don't, banking vac time with worked overtime. Hope I said that right. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Still no updates? Wow. Where's all the info? Whatever came out of the conference calls since last Thurs. meeting, anyone know??

 

[MadMan337]

The IBT has not made a decision on whether to allow the AT committee to counter the AMFA proposal or negotiate. Until they decide nothing to update.

 

[Swadl]

I think the IBT should put it out to vote and let its members who will have to live with it decide what they WANT!!! The IBT won't have to live with it and besides they are out when all this sh$t is done!!