IBT No Show Forum

[swa1963]

Personally, I don't want to find out who is right about how long it takes to litagate the LOA or if an arbitrator can throw it out.
Because to find out means that we have not reached an agreement and a senority war has broken out

The LOA was never meant to be used that way when it was signed but we believed a meaningful increase in AT pay would be exchaged for a meaninful senority sacrifice.
Southwest Airlines belives this also. The proof of that is in the pilots deal. Also the flight attendance deal.

If a compromise is not reached, we will find out which lawyer is right but long term damage is sure to follow.

Yeah most of us Southwest Mechanics thought AT Mechs would readily leave their seniority for a few extra bucks in their paychecks!

Maybe Southwest Airlines will make this easy for both of us and file bankruptcy! Then have the courts throw out all of our contracts and LOA,s !

 

[swamt]

So as far as I can tell from the previous posts, the current deal is 4 years, no fences, no loa. Is there any dates set for future meetings or to discuss if this gets put out for a vote or some modification? Any word on if the company might add something to sweeten the pot for the entire group to get it done?

Only word I have heard since offer announcement is that the teamsters/ibt requested that the offer be in writing. IBT said it must be in writing to get a responce. Don't blame them at all. AMFA would have called for the same, a verbal means nothing, we all know that. No dates are set as of Fri. To speed up the nego process faster, a little birdie told me they may conduct nego city to city (Alt-Dal) or something to this effect. Too much time spent on traveling back and forth. How this will all be done I do not know yet. No modifications, awaiting it to be put in writing and presented to the AT guys in writing. I would be willing to bet this has already been done, if not surely by Mon. Here's the company's pot sweatner, 'they want this done in weeks not months' Hows that? LOL

 

[swamt]

swamt

By the way I was replying to your statement "quit trying to negotiate numbers,not your reply to the LOA.Glad I got you hot. You don't know me and I could care less how long your claws or nails are. The problem is I doubt very strongly you personally have talked a arbitrator or judge,I have. I don't care what Seham says, a arbitrator can rule on a LOA which was made prior to negotiations and it directly effects seniority and when the third party was not present. The arbitrator gave a good point. Suppose the LOA stated that AMFA if merged with any airline'.their seniority would always be higher than the merged or purchased airline or the purchased airline mechanics would by the language in the LOA be stapled to the bottom. This is not enforceable and the arbitrator can rule to remove the LOA because it does effect seniority. If you have been there since 2010 then your not even wet behind the years. I was probably in this business before you were born. You have not a clue what you are talking about. Do your home work and making false and misleading commits.The IBT atry,s told Seham they could win it in arbitration or take it to federal court and win not just Federal court. Let's get this done and stop talking about a LOA that are going away anyway, by the way that should tell you something. Got to go to sleep and dream, it is going to be very cold up here when I get up and might even be snowing. SWAMT you need to loosen up a little,your live longer,I,m serious--don't get so crazy on us.

You have misread my post. I have been on this web site since Oct 2010. Ive been in aviation for over 25 years. You can believe what you want to believe. I will leave the LOA issue at rest with you, but I will leave you with one final question about our LOA still intact. "Why in the world would the teamster/ibt have to file a seperate suit in federal court?" As you stated above take it to federal court, the ibt knows they have to go thru federal court in order to get a possible ruling on the LOA. I am done with you. BTW if you have really been reading all my past post you have known I was here at SWA for over 16 years now, so pls stop. There are also several AT mechanics that know what will happen to the LOA, "ask your own AT mechanics" and see what they tell you.

 

[swamt]

Personally, I don't want to find out who is right about how long it takes to litagate the LOA or if an arbitrator can throw it out.
Because to find out means that we have not reached an agreement and a senority war has broken out

The LOA was never meant to be used that way when it was signed but we believed a meaningful increase in AT pay would be exchaged for a meaninful senority sacrifice.
Southwest Airlines belives this also. The proof of that is in the pilots deal. Also the flight attendance deal.

If a compromise is not reached, we will find out which lawyer is right but long term damage is sure to follow.

I know most of you on here know we don't want this to drag out thru arbitration or litigation. I just want everybody to know what could possibly take place if it did. I want everybody to have all info prior to voting, not just what the ibt is splewing out there. I think we will come to a deal, one major step towards said deal is that the AT guys and the teamsters/ibt showed up this past Thurs on the 23rd. Another step was they left with an offer to discuss with them and to this day noone has ran to file for the arbitration. Company has stated that they will file if they see any stalling from either side. We should hear something next week I'm sure, the company's time line is extremely quick.

 

[WNMECH]

Yeah most of us Southwest Mechanics thought AT Mechs would readily leave their seniority for a few extra bucks in their paychecks!

Well I don't know what you or most SW mechanics thought, but our AMFA negotiating committee must have thought so, or they would have negotiated with realistic numbers months ago.

The last offer they gave before the company took over was a 12 year boost to us and they get a few extra bucks in there paychecks.

(not all on the amfa side voted for the 12 year offer but it was a majority)

 

[Hustl3r]

DOH/DOC doesn't change the facts. If an employment break never occurred that's what I'll negotiate and
settle for. I won't vote yes on a seniority cut, I won't vote yes on a less senior employee surpassing me either.

 

[Hustl3r]

No offense AMFA doesn't own an airline. And to its members remember the golden rule do unto others as you would have others do into you. So ask yourself if you would settle for the same treatment that you are trying to enforce.

 

[Hustl3r]

If you are making a stink about 300ish mechs and 300ish mechs got your undies in a was like this then I don't know what to think and maybe it is only solvable by an outside entity with no horse in this race and the decision will be what they say is fair. Let the union dues be used for what they are meant for

 

[lineguy]

You know, you could have consolidated all of that into one single rant.

 

[swaboeingonly]

DOH/DOC doesn't change the facts. If an employment break never occurred that's what I'll negotiate and
settle for. I won't vote yes on a seniority cut, I won't vote yes on a less senior employee surpassing me either.

I had no employment break from my previous job to SWA so does that mean I get to keep those years? Your reasoning is that of a 5th grader!

To answer another question from some time ago, YES WE did buy AT, OUR profit sharing went into that 'AQUISITION' and I do own SWA stock so YES I did buy YOU!

 

[Hustl3r]

I had no employment break from my previous job to SWA so does that mean I get to keep those years? Your reasoning is that of a 5th grader!

To answer another question from some time ago, YES WE did buy AT, OUR profit sharing went into that 'AQUISITION' and I do own SWA stock so YES I did buy YOU!

Were you happy about it? Who negotiated you guys ? And if you came to work your profit sharing could have been more.
AMFA does not own stock in swa.

 

[duffa01]

I had no employment break from my previous job to SWA so does that mean I get to keep those years? Your reasoning is that of a 5th grader!

To answer another question from some time ago, YES WE did buy AT, OUR profit sharing went into that 'AQUISITION' and I do own SWA stock so YES I did buy YOU!

sorry i am late to the game, but has anyone covered reduction in force, station closings? are we not treating all bid locations like we do now, where you can not bid into a different station without having an opening? if not, then senority will be a big issue. this is what i really want, because the company came right out in front and said screw you original employees, you are not getting anything out of this deal. i think they meant monetarily...but i was hoping we could get moving expenses included in station closings, at least a years pay in reduction of force issues, and hopefully a "stand in stead" clause so that an old codger like myself can help out you whipper snappers if it comes down to it. lets get something that will help us all!

come on superman...where you at? on your day off and you don't log into the forum....unbelievable!

 

[acquired/nothired]

Airtran mechanics- you gave up your seniority and requested some temporary protection-it was voted down. Stop posting.

 

[Hustl3r]

So what if we don't look like you, so what if we didn't do the things you did. Does that mean we are any less? I think not, we should all want the same things. There are always gonna be some one more senior unless you are top dog. So ask yourself will DOH hurt anyone or anything?

 

[duffa01]

Airtran mechanics- you gave up your seniority and requested some temporary protection-it was voted down. Stop posting.

i thought that the whole idea was to voice your opinion. i want to hear what they think. don't get all special on me, we would all drink a beer and laugh and have a good time if we could.

which reminds me, anyone going to the dallas mttf tomorrow? i was hoping we could do a scene from animal house, i could ask the antichrist a question, and when he gets flustered or refuses to answer...we could all start humming the national anthem, stand up and file out of the auditorium!