If your talking about sec 6 that's old news. As soon as this integration crap is done the company wants to start nego for next contract early. We heard this awhile back.
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If your talking about sec 6 that's old news. As soon as this integration crap is done the company wants to start nego for next contract early. We heard this awhile back.
I am thinking 2.75 or 3yrs will do it.Can you live with that AirTran /SWA? Let's put this to bed and go united after a new contract and bring the A/c to our hangars and not some contractors,fill up every damn hanger we have.,both at AT and SWA and not waist time fighting among ourselves.
Where you been? YES. Your correct. IF we goto arbitration, the original LOA of Mar. 29 2011 will in fact remain in tact. An arbitrader cannot remove "anything" in our contract, including LOA's. An arbitrader can only rule on the integration of the mechanics senority, that's it, nothing more. I have been stating this for months. I have been challenged many times on this and it's been proven, An arbitrador cannot remove the LOA dated March 29, 2011. We have all heard the threats from the teamsters that they will file a suit against AMFA and the company, if and when this goes to arbitration, let them. This will prolong an arbitradors ruling by years, plus the AMFA attorney's have already stated they have a more probable case than the teamsters think. This is the exact reason the AT guys don't want arbitration, because the LOA will stay. Not the only reason, pay has a little to do with it too. Never be afraid of arbitration...
Quite shopping for numbers. To answer your question, No it won't do it. Your nego cmte has the number.
I differ from swamt on this.
I say you bring it to the table and see what happens.
At least it shows you are negotiating.
You are in the ballpark now.
Anothermech
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Hey AirTran Guys- These s**theads will never be happy with any agreement. Just a bunch of spoiled brats. We handed them the best deal they could have imagined and they turned it down. No help from me of course, I voted NO and will continue to vote NO all the way to arbitration. Those guys should not get one second of extra seniority, nor should we give up any of our hard earned years. We are not afraid of arbitration. We welcome it. No deals, No fences, Nothing!
I keep hearing we need to give up something as a show of good faith.....Gimmie a Break! I don't owe those guys a Damn thing!
GIVE ME ARBITRATION!
I keep hearing we need to give up something as a show of good faith.....Gimmie a Break! I don't owe those guys a Damn thing!
GIVE ME ARBITRATION!
I am not trying to start a fight. An arbitrator will and can make a ruling on this LOA. It is clear it was made after the announcement of the buy out and it was less than 32 day prior to the DOA. I f the LOA was signed before the announcement of Sept. 28 you may have a case. The arbitrator would more than likely state that the LOA made so close to the DOA was made solely for protection anticipating negotiations soon to follow, and on those grounds throw it out as a negotiation between two party's in a three party anticipated negotiation.
Again,lets get this done,and get the work on the up coming contract in August or before as stated on this forum..
Again,lets get this done,and get the work on the up coming contract in August or before as stated on this forum..
Interesting.
However our lawyer says it is not for an arbitrator to decide that. it must be litagated.
which will tie up any arbitrators decision until a judge makes that ruling.
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Swadl
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No your wrong an arbitrator can not remove the letter. The only way to get it removed is by federal court! Period!! And yes let's get this done and move on. I say put it out for a vote and let's see if the membership wants the offer!
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Swadl
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If the AirTran or the SWA mechanics want it or not it will show in the vote! I will be a no vote with anything less that 3.75 year bump.
He is wrong.. he knows it .. he can't tell you that because it was his idea, and it has messed this agreement up from day one.Sokol was stupid signing it, ask another atry. or ask SWA counsel,your on members don't even like it.I am going to bed now,I promise,
Go ahead and vote no all the way to arbitration just dont forget that no matter what the judge decides, we still have to ratify you under our contract. With an attitude like yours I say hold off ratifying for 5 years til all your 37's are painted and the 717's are returned leaving you nothing to work on
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something that give us protection (swa) is not stupid. we asked an sokol gave, actually i think jim thought he could buy the deal with this agreement. so far its the only thing we have gotten from sokol, george or ryan. it has value and can be a useful tool. your wrong about us not liking it. Speaking of sokol, has he led you a stray? promissed you the world (pay and bennies) and what? keep listening to him and see what happens. negotiate in good faith with amfa and quit getting pumped full of sunshine from jim (he's just a figurehead in this whole thing) mike ryan is the man with the power along with hirschman (who lets jim take the fall for failing to produce on the integration deal).
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