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[swamt]

So, on another note, the first conversion plane starts today in PAE. AT A//C 300 is going in and scheduled to come out by April 15 as SWA 7714.. The second plane is AT A/C 302 and is scheduled to start either next week or the week after and it will be out by end or April as SWA A/C 7702. At this rate, all the domestic AT 737's will be converted in about 16-18 months, then another 12 months or so for the international 737's. There are still multiple variables that can delay or expedite the process, but from the looks of it, that will be the time table...

What about on the union front? D-Day, so to speak, is tomorrow! Any predictions on the final tally? Or does anyone know of they'll be released early? From SWADL, I believe, said that 90% of the memebership has voted and it looks like its not a landslide because if they're tallying as they go and still haven't announced the results then 10% can still determine the end result, which is what, a little over 100 mechanics. Sounds like its going to be close, of all I said above is the case.

I predict 92.5% or better. Extremely sad to say, it would be a record for SWA mech participation. I believe. M&M might be able to correct that statement. But it's the most I remember ever. And I'm just going off the 90% participation on the LOA votes. Good numbers there.

 

[WNMECH]

Rumor is that the next offer from AMFA in not % but a hard number in years.
You better start talking to the right people if you don't want that to happen.
Time is short to Feb 23.

 

[swamt]

We use an online/telephone vote that is not accessible while voting is active. We will know the results shortly after voting ends. I hope the number is 90% or better on participation. In fact if we hit those numbers (not the actual yes and no percent) it should be made public so the Company can see we are paying attention.

With the LOA's votes, AMFA National posted the results about an hour after closing the polls. I would expect the same after this vote. I would say we should all know by noon on Tues. What ever the results, I hope all of us remain professional and respectfull. Once it's done its done. Good Luck to all!!!

 

[swamt]

Rumor is that the next offer from AMFA in not % but a hard number in years.
You better start talking to the right people if you don't want that to happen.
Time is short to Feb 23.

Don't understand that unless they have a formula that works out with the AT guys that have the same or less of senority as the number of years they come up with. If they would just use the % it would work for everyone. I would still have to look at it. You never know it may work out ok by doing the year thing, I'm sure they have thought it all out. We'll see after tommarrow...

 

[WNMECH]

Don't understand that unless they have a formula that works out with the AT guys that have the same or less of senority as the number of years they come up with. If they would just use the % it would work for everyone. I would still have to look at it. You never know it may work out ok by doing the year thing, I'm sure they have thought it all out. We'll see after tommarrow...

It would work the same way it is going to work with th FAs.
But the number of years is slightly different than the FAs.

 

[WNMECH]

If they would just use the % it would work for everyone.

I agree that you have zeroed in on a % range that could pass both sides, but if it is not proposed then it it just talk.
I am just giving you a heads up that a proposal of number of years is being considered.

 

[WNMECH]

AirTran guys have already said their hands will be tied and can't propose anything Feb 23 but can listen to offers.
If you want a %, it will have to come from our side.

 

[Swadl]

Less than 24hrs left! Everybody please VOTE!!!!

 

[swamt]

AirTran guys have already said their hands will be tied and can't propose anything Feb 23 but can listen to offers.
If you want a %, it will have to come from our side.

The AMFA cmte already knows what the % is. They need to go in to the nego on the 23rd and tell them what it is. Trust me they have looked at all avenues. They may see a better alternative than the 30%. I do know that a yearly issue would better protect the lower senority guys. Maybe why we are now hearing about this yearly thing. I will say this though, the SWA cmte better be looking at 4-6 yrs as far as a yearly thing. If not, they will have complications.
Tommarrow is the big day. Will post as soon as I get word...

 

[swamt]

One more question about the up-coming 2-23-12 nego meeting. When will AMFA post the observers list to attend? Maybe not untill after the SLI is possibly voted down. Any info guys?

 

[WNMECH]

I will say this though, the SWA cmte better be looking at 4-6 yrs as far as a yearly thing.

If in fact the offer comes out in years, I think asking for 4 is a little high.
But asking for more than 4 is just a slap in the face just like asking for 12 years.
This offer better be realistic because the other guys may have there hands tied by the IBT and not be in much of a position to counter.

 

[Flman]

I'm new on here but been reading this for awhile and I'm from the AT ranks. Just wanted to add something if this gets voted down our cmmt isn't going to have much power to negotiate so amfa needs to come with something real something they can bring back to the union and membership. I don't think they will entertain a 4-6 years reduction but if they come with something like 30% that will have a real chance. So if you amfa guys can get your cmmt to present something like this we will have a chance to finish this very quickly.

 

[Swadl]

I'm told only the ALRs are going to attend not the whole Comte! So I'm assuming no observers.

 

[squidly]

I'm told only the ALRs are going to attend not the whole Comte! So I'm assuming no observers.

this is not the ibt. The whole committee meets

 

[swamt]

I'm new on here but been reading this for awhile and I'm from the AT ranks. Just wanted to add something if this gets voted down our cmmt isn't going to have much power to negotiate so amfa needs to come with something real something they can bring back to the union and membership. I don't think they will entertain a 4-6 years reduction but if they come with something like 30% that will have a real chance. So if you amfa guys can get your cmmt to present something like this we will have a chance to finish this very quickly.

Hello and welcome to the discussion. Glad to hear from you. I agree with you, keep it at a pecentile. I think it's more fair for all, across the board. And, it will have a much better chance of passing. Much better. Again I will post the examples: I think AT's most senior mech is somewhere around 18 yrs. The midrange is of course 9 yrs. (which is close to there top out time frame). Then you have the rest. It would be more fair, in my eyes to cut as a pecentile rather than yrs. My examples are only examples, the yrs and or % will be determained at the table, not out here in cyberland: Let's us 30% and 5 years. 18yrs-30%=5.4yrs, 9yrs-30%=2.7yrs, 4.5yrs-30%=1.35yrs. Now for years; 18-5=13yrs, 9-5=4yrs, 4.5-5= -.5yrs How can you give someone a negative 1/2 yr of senority? Not only that with all AT mechanics with 5 yrs and less, are all getting 100% or more of senority reduction. Who the hell would vote that in? Guess you would have to have a stepping ratio, Ex; The years would have to reflect what the 30% is. At has told you all what it will take in a percentage, go in there with the 25-30%. It really is a no brainer AMFA, bring them 30% to the table and lets vote, AT has basically told you guys what it will take, throw the 30 or 25% and let's re-vote. It's not rocket science...