Wow, this place got pretty hot from late morning to now. When I have not been working on the aircraft I have been making some phone calls. This would be a great place to work if it were not for the A/C. It appears ,as I stated earlier, that the committee will be coming but have been instructed by Don Toney not to propose anything, but to listen to anything proposed by AMFA. This I hope want be a problem,if AMFA proposes it,however if they do not,the chief steward on AT's committee,who I assume will now be the chairman, will follow Don Toney's mandate. He will not act unless someone does it for him. He will follow but he will not lead.If the 25-30% is proposed and if the chief steward does not bring it to the members,or if it is blocked by Don Toney,I have been assured it will be presented to the mechanics by other parties. The other parties have only the best interest of all mechanics in mind. I believe the 25-3o% will have very little opposition,except by a few. You always have a few. The question will be if AMFA will propose it. What do you think?
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I think Madman just wants to return after the meeting to say "I told you so".
I thnk we are better served if he spends less time sulking over a no vote, and more time working towards a second agreement out of arbitration even if he believes it is futile.
What do you think Madman? Want to give it another go?
The only "other parties", outside of IBT and AMFA, that could officially propose the mentioned 25-30% would be the Company. I will keep my fingers crossed.
Kev3188
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Not sulking over a no vote, I have great respect for the democratic process as most on here do. I am sincerely hoping for a positive outcome outside arbitration and want this SLI to be over. I tend to think a couple of steps down the road and don't like being surprised when the outcome intended is not the outcome achieved. My opinions expressed on here are not intended to be able to come back and say "I told you so" it is to make sure there is full awareness. If an AMFA committee proposal can in fact be accepted by the attending AT guys on the 23rd and brought back for a vote I am going to be ecstatic and extremely happy to be wrong.
If the AT committee will agree to a proposal of AT decreasing their seniority by 25-35% and no fences that is a no brainer YES vote on the AMFA side.
I find it interesting that a small group on the internet can get close to a deal that they believe both sides would vote for, including you.
so who on the commitee is going to make a proposal..................Madman?
swaboeingonly
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Lineguy and swaboeingonly seem to be mostly sideline guys who think they know things. I will speculate that they haven't attended a Union Meeting in the past year minus the road show, never held a position in the Union and never attended as an observer. Yet they carry themselves as good union members with great insight.
You couldn't be any farther from the truth but then the truth isn't what YOU'RE known for is it, JACK?
You couldn't be any farther from the truth but then the truth isn't what YOU'RE known for is it, JACK?
I don't know who you think I am ,but, I am not a Rep. I will however do what all of us should be doing, which is contact the ALR's and as many of the SLI Committee Members as possible and express that we should go in on the 23rd and make a proposal to AT using reasonable numbers. If anyone needs email addresses to their reps I will post them, shouldn't be a problem since they are already publicly displayed on the AMFA websites. I am almost certain the AMFA SLI Committee has prepared a proposal for the 23rd but it won't hurt to give them our input.
I went ahead and pressed the "+" button for ya. Wouldn't want to damage your delicate ego.
swaboeingonly
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Thanks
I think i know exactly who you are. You are the author of LOA language remember?
I also think you have more input into this process than you let on and can help influence the proposal. (maybe even author it)
swaboeingonly
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Heard from mech's in MCO that the new station manager (AT guy placed above SWA guy) said they will run at minimums. Currently SWA 5 mech's 1 lead for 120+ flights, AT 8 mech's and 1 lead for 60+ flights. New minimums will be SWA 4 mech's and 1 lead and AT... no change. This is the kind of management our company wants? AT boy is setting us up to fail as well as look bad. Seems to me it will make HIM look bad but somehow I think he will always keep his job. Just be aware SWA mech's!
AvTech04
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Okay, I need to clarify something for everyone following this forum again. I am going to try and be as clear and precise as I can and the following is not a matter of opinion, it is a factual statement and I ask that you please read this and understand before commenting but feel free to ask any questions:
When we refer to the term DOH, or Date Of Hire, we all need to be clear that it is illegal to modify a persons actua company DOH in any way, form or fashion. Federal Mandate from the NLRB, I believe, will not allow you to modify a persons starting date into any company under and circumstances; merger, acquisition, etc.. So, No AT employees actual company DOH can be changed or modified in any way, form or fashion. Remember, even after we all agree and vote to pass any TA or SLI that brings the 2 work groups together, and even if the company agrees to TA, is has to go through federal approval to verify that all federal law has been followed.
Alright, if you understand the above statement then you'll also understand what follows. That is why there is a date of classification when it come to terms with a union. Now our union date of classification , or DOC for short, that's where any change in 'seniority' can be made. We can agree to add or remove time from that list. And all subjects pertaining to our DOC in the AMFA contract is what will be affected in any TA or SLI unless otherwise specified in the LOA. 99% of both our contracts read and reference DOC for matters of anything union related.
Here are a few examples to help illustrate what I'm saying. If a SWA ramper hired on 01/01/1990 goes and gets his/her A&P and gets a AMFA covered position as a mechanic on 01/01/2000, then his contractual obligations are reflected from the DOC date of 01/01/2000, but any company related obligations are from his DOH which is 01/01/1990. Same goes for an AirTran mechanic, if he was hired on 01/01/1996 and didn't join the teamsters union under the mechanic classification until 01/01/2002, then any decrease in seniority will be as of 01/01/2002 as that is his DOC.
I just wanted to clarify this once more in case there was anyone still out there that didn't understand it the first time around. No one at AirTran's actual company DOH can ever be modified, we can only offer to modify out DOC which governs all of our contractual obligations anyway. So when anyone mentions the term DOH, they are actually mentioning the term DOC.
When we refer to the term DOH, or Date Of Hire, we all need to be clear that it is illegal to modify a persons actua company DOH in any way, form or fashion. Federal Mandate from the NLRB, I believe, will not allow you to modify a persons starting date into any company under and circumstances; merger, acquisition, etc.. So, No AT employees actual company DOH can be changed or modified in any way, form or fashion. Remember, even after we all agree and vote to pass any TA or SLI that brings the 2 work groups together, and even if the company agrees to TA, is has to go through federal approval to verify that all federal law has been followed.
Alright, if you understand the above statement then you'll also understand what follows. That is why there is a date of classification when it come to terms with a union. Now our union date of classification , or DOC for short, that's where any change in 'seniority' can be made. We can agree to add or remove time from that list. And all subjects pertaining to our DOC in the AMFA contract is what will be affected in any TA or SLI unless otherwise specified in the LOA. 99% of both our contracts read and reference DOC for matters of anything union related.
Here are a few examples to help illustrate what I'm saying. If a SWA ramper hired on 01/01/1990 goes and gets his/her A&P and gets a AMFA covered position as a mechanic on 01/01/2000, then his contractual obligations are reflected from the DOC date of 01/01/2000, but any company related obligations are from his DOH which is 01/01/1990. Same goes for an AirTran mechanic, if he was hired on 01/01/1996 and didn't join the teamsters union under the mechanic classification until 01/01/2002, then any decrease in seniority will be as of 01/01/2002 as that is his DOC.
I just wanted to clarify this once more in case there was anyone still out there that didn't understand it the first time around. No one at AirTran's actual company DOH can ever be modified, we can only offer to modify out DOC which governs all of our contractual obligations anyway. So when anyone mentions the term DOH, they are actually mentioning the term DOC.
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