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What if u don't have 3.5-4? And why would each individual case matter and be different? A 1 time hit is a 1 time hit and shouldn't vary.
Look, I have to some what apologize about my earlier posting. I was a little rambunctious and a little under the influence simultaneously, which never ends well. I did mean what I said about the DFW guys, but I didn't need to approach it in such an abrasive manner. For that, my apologies. It's just that I've gotten the opportunity to work with some of those guys and they are good people, undeserving of what's happening to them, but they're understanding about this being a nature of the beast situation, so their humbleness instead of angry made me even angrier for them at the results of the vote. It had nothing to do with Us not having a say in the vote, it was the whole situation that was $hitty. If the tables were turned, I would have been on the fence with my vote as well, but probably would have voted yes. But, it wasn't my vote and there's nothing that can be said nor done about it now, so moving on.
I've already posted the max I'm willing to give, we get a roughly 30% increase in pay thanks to the AMFA negotiations and the company agreement, so using the law of averages and the weight bare and loss to gain benefit for the SWA guys, I will not vote in anything above 30% decrease in AT seniority, with the march 29th LOA being removed for the SWA contract and the TA amended to show pay retroed back to at least SOC, if not even sooner.
30% is the max fairest method to use instead of years. It has the impact on the AT side that AMFA wants and a least impact on the majority of the AT side. Also, it's the average pay rate advantage that we get transitioning over to SWA. So 30% or less is the number if we all agree it's a one time thing, no strings attached. (removal of the LOA's, no fence, and we get the pay in return) but the 30% hit goes back to no later than the purchase date or Date of closing. I would be a 100% yes vote to those terms.
Again, my apologizes to those I may have offended in my earlier post, it wasn't my intention.
Exactly so 20-25% would be fair ?
Fine, then the 30% hit and done with AMFA, we'll work with SWA on the TA, hopefully with the support of AMFA to atleast include retro, DEN MX, and 401K.
I dont wanna be 2 different work groups, I don't wanna screw anyone over, I don't wanna lose seniority, I don't wanna look at my union brothers and feel any negativity towards them, and I don't want this thing to drag on.
Thanks,guys. I have talked to several members of the AT committee. They do plan to come to the meeting next week. They will have their local business agent with them not the IBT.They will be tied up with Horizon Aire. The AT committee will also be without their chairman, Pepper Atkinson,he got removed by Don Toney the local IBT president because Pepper called the committee together in January to talk about a possible solution, modification or removal of the fencing to propose to AMFA, if the agreement failed, but did not call Don Toney first,unintentionally,he says.Don Toney has not attended one meeting.Go figure it. Don Toney wants arbitration,the AT mech's don't if all possible.Pepper bucked the IBT and paid for it. The commiittee will also be absent one more member because of a vacation conflict. I have talked to Pepper and he believes the mechanics will go with a 25-30% and or 3-4 year reduction to AT mech's or increase in SWA seniority. If the fences is removed. He says the simpler the better.I hope SWA will propose this and the committee will bring it back to the mechanics to vote on. Can this happen,do you believe you committee will propose this? Hope to be one soon.
Lets quit going backwards and leave the insults in your hand. I would take NO raise and keep ALL of my seniority and my current contract. So no you don't know the answer.Here's a suggestion ... we'll take the 20% if you AT clowns take a 20% drop in pay and bennefits. Is that an acceptable middle to meet at? I probebly know the anwser. Quit asking for the cake, ice cream and a cherry, and be real. I'm sure sokol promissed you everything all in due time, but lets face it you AT clowns either are greedy or just got greedy.
Ok, let's not go backward.Lets quit going backwards and leave the insults in your hand. I would take NO raise and keep ALL of my seniority and my current contract. So no you don't know the answer.
I am also 100% sure that if you proposed that to your mechanics, they would laugh you out of the room.Lets quit going backwards and leave the insults in your hand. I would take NO raise and keep ALL of my seniority and my current contract. So no you don't know the answer.
Already have. At least most. Told me how THEY voted, so it will pass on this side, overwhelmingly, at least in my opinion.I am also 100% sure that if you proposed that to your mechanics, they would laugh you out of the room.
And when you told them that you wanted NO payraise and would vote for THEM to get NO payraise, how many laughed in your face?Already have. At least most. Told me how THEY voted, so it will pass on this side, overwhelmingly, at least in my opinion.
Nobody I know would be willing to vote for a deal that put all you guys on a "b" scale to ours.And when you told them that you wanted NO payraise and would vote for THEM to get NO payraise, how many laughed in your face?
Not no pay raise. Just willing to finish my contract out. Was not willing to sell my seniority. "If you fall for anything, you stand for nothing " I know where they standAnd when you told them that you wanted NO payraise and would vote for THEM to get NO payraise, how many laughed in your face?
What do you mean now?Not no pay raise. Just willing to finish my contract out. Was not willing to sell my seniority. "If you fall for anything, you stand for nothing " I know where they stand
