IBEW Fleet Service Union Campaign Update

[700UW]

The IBT four stations made LESS than the non-union stations, that is a fact, ask the employees of the four former stations.

 

[GoldenRam94]

The IBT four stations made LESS than the non-union stations, that is a fact, ask the employees of the four former stations.

You are correct. It was a ploy by management to keep the IBT out of the other cities. It eventually worked after Piedmont came onboard and they got their huge raises.

 

[perserverance]

[quote name='PO'ed PHX Ramper' post='533621' date='Oct 11 2007, 10:10 PM']Yea, a few copies of this are headed to the Phoenix breakrooms![/quote]

Good to hear..........and see you on the site.

perserverance

 

[Tim Nelson]

The IBT four stations made LESS than the non-union stations, that is a fact, ask the employees of the four former stations.

700, the same amount was offered to the IBT but the IBT had to refuse it since it was bargaining for improvements in the contract and didn't want to settle for concessions that had a 3% wage increase, limit of 8 stations attached to it, scope reductions, and the loss of triple time and overtime bypass. At the time, the IBT also didn't know if there was going to be a Piedmont election. It was uncharted territory and the NMB made a ruling for an election.

But hey, you managed to get a couple facts right. Now for your previous statements, you need to excuse yourself and admit that participants do not need to be IAM members to participate in the IAM pension. Can you do that? ALso, kindly retract your other lies about the previous teamster vote.

regards,

 

[Hope777]

The IBEW has PULLED OUT !!!!! Offical Announcement to expected in the next few days.

 

[JoeDirt]

You are correct. It was a ploy by management to keep the IBT out of the other cities. It eventually worked after Piedmont came onboard and they got their huge raises.

Brothers and Sisters......Sadly to say I too was a gullible, naive, wet behind the ears ramper at this time. Most of us were at Piedmont. I had heard that the average age of a ramper in the late 80's was 22 or 23. We fell for the wage bait that management was casting. They spent millions to keep the Teamsters off the property. We were told things like "You make more than the union stations. Why would you want to be union? All you will get out of it are union dues. We will take care of you etc.....". We took the bait. Hook, line and sinker. It tasted good for a while. Then along came the mechanics strike. I think this was in 1992. We were non-union then and had no choice but to come to work and perform the receipt and dispatch duties. We had done it before the mechanics took it over so it was no problem for us to do it again. The strike had very little impact partly due to us. Now is where the IAM comes into the picture. They all of a sudden want to represent the rampers. If I remember correctly we heard no objection from the company. You make the correlation. In hind sight there should have been red flags but I don't recall any being raised. Looking back now I think this is where the deception began.

My point is this. We certainly are not those individuals anymore. We have become a very opinionated diverse group. Some are for the calling of a vote and some are against. Regardless of which side of the fence you ride can we as a group support the majorities wishes. If a vote occures will you make sure that you vote and encourage others to do so. If the drive is not sucessful can we pull together and remain strong.

 

[perserverance]

DO NOT BELIEVE ''HOPE 777''...THIS IS A LIE...LIE

I just logged on and saw this post and had to reply. The IBEW will be in LAS,DCA
and LGA this weekend. Thier card signing continues to grow. They will be in these
stations to answer any questions and to ask the workforce to sign a card for a ''change''.
We must continue to sign these cards . The IBEW is hoping to have more than 5000 cards
signed in the next 14 days. This is a chance for the fleet to have thier own bargaining agent,
not associated with any other airlines or groups in the workplace.
Please do not hold any posts from ''Hope 777'' as fact. I do not know why they would just throw
out a lie , I'm hoping they come back on an apologize.
I'm sorry I didn't see this post sooner.


Thanks

 

[Hope777]

Got a Phone Call from PHL this afternoon and was told by someone close to the Card signing that they indeed did stop the card signing drive. It is my understanding that he recieved a phone call from someone in the know from TPA. Lets see what pans out in the next few days......... I personally do not care for the IAM and would love nothing more than to see them voted out. But the information I had revieved today tells me otherwise.

 

[roadtrip]

DO NOT BELIEVE ''HOPE 777''...THIS IS A LIE...LIE

I just logged on and saw this post and had to reply. The IBEW will be in LAS,DCA
and LGA this weekend. Thier card signing continues to grow. They will be in these
stations to answer any questions and to ask the workforce to sign a card for a ''change''.
We must continue to sign these cards . The IBEW is hoping to have more than 5000 cards
signed in the next 14 days. This is a chance for the fleet to have thier own bargaining agent,
not associated with any other airlines or groups in the workplace.
Please do not hold any posts from ''Hope 777'' as fact. I do not know why they would just throw
out a lie , I'm hoping they come back on an apologize.
I'm sorry I didn't see this post sooner.
Thanks

Thanks for the update I heard a couple of IBEW organizers got hurt in a car accident the other day any new on how there doing?

 

[perserverance]

roadtrip-
Thanks for asking. The 2 guys are out of the hospital and back
on the campain trail. Someone ran a red light and hit thier car, but they
are OK now.
''Hope 777'' I can not find the thread where you say you heard from PHL.
All I see is ''The IBEW has pulled out !!'' and that is incorrect and a lie. Your
source is wrong and the campain in PHL is still there. The IBEW has gotten over
well over 75% of the workforce to sign cards and continues to get cards everyday.
They are now turning thier attention to other cities, such as DCA,LGA, and LAS this
weekend. I don't know what city your from but if you'd like to help the IBEW get
involved.The movement in PHL has not slowed, but the number of workers who
have not signed a card is fewer than 25% and falling, that may be why it seems to
be slowing. Theres' only that number left to ask.

Thanks

 

[Dog Wonder]

Keep funneling corporate crap on to this board.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Got a Phone Call from PHL this afternoon and was told by someone close to the Card signing that they indeed did stop the card signing drive. It is my understanding that he recieved a phone call from someone in the know from TPA. Lets see what pans out in the next few days......... I personally do not care for the IAM and would love nothing more than to see them voted out. But the information I had revieved today tells me otherwise.

confirmed travel was just booked for the next few days to attend meetings and card signups.
Not sure where you got your info but I was briefed this afternoon and it was full steam ahead.

To be sure, the IAM is a monster political machine and I"m sure they have the engines fired up for a AFLCIO legal battle that may include heavy fines for the IBEW. To make things difficult for the IBEW, fleet service needs to sign up as many cards as possible in the next 7 days. The question isn't if the IBEW is committed to fleet service, but rather will fleet service be committed to the IBEW. IMO, the next 7 days will be crucial to determine if fleet service decides to keep the IAM or not.

regards,

 

[JoeDirt]

I'm having a hard time wraping my head around some of these numbers. I think some clarification is needed. Anyone?


The Q &A states..........
Does a union need 50%+1 of the craft to be certified?
No. Oftentimes, unions under the RLA win with less than 50% of the vote. The law does not require a union to get 50%+1 of craft to vote for it...(When has this happened? With who? What kind of numbers are we talking about?)

Q & A...........
Remember , the IAM recieved less than 22% of the vote from those eligible to vote, and still ended up being certified on the east.........(Were there not two other unions involved in this election? If that was so what was the break down of those numbers? What precentage of those eligible to vote did so?



Q & A............
The IBT recieved less that 50% in 1989 and still won on old USair property.........(Was this during the time of only 4 stations being represented? Was there another union on the ballot? What was the total for IBT and for the other?)

These and other issues were brought up at work. Trying to pass on the questions.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm having a hard time wraping my head around some of these numbers. I think some clarification is needed. Anyone?
The Q &A states..........
Does a union need 50%+1 of the craft to be certified?
No. Oftentimes, unions under the RLA win with less than 50% of the vote. The law does not require a union to get 50%+1 of craft to vote for it...(When has this happened? With who? What kind of numbers are we talking about?)

Q & A...........
Remember , the IAM recieved less than 22% of the vote from those eligible to vote, and still ended up being certified on the east.........(Were there not two other unions involved in this election? If that was so what was the break down of those numbers? What precentage of those eligible to vote did so?
Q & A............
The IBT recieved less that 50% in 1989 and still won on old USair property.........(Was this during the time of only 4 stations being represented? Was there another union on the ballot? What was the total for IBT and for the other?)

These and other issues were brought up at work. Trying to pass on the questions.

Joe,
Happens alot. A union simply is not required to get 50%.
I think the USWA had like 23%, the IAM 22%, the IBT 19%. Overall, 50%+1 voted but a single union isn't required to get the full 50%+1, provided other votes are cast. The IAM ended up winning the runoff when the IBT told workers to screw the USWA.

For example, in raids there are two union choices. The IBEW may get 40% of the vote and the IAM may get 15% of the vote. The IBEW will win even if it obtained less than 50% of the vote.

The IBT vote was before the piedmont vote, and was a result of the PSA merger. The IBT had like 1800 votes, the IAM had like 16 votes, and some chick had a vote or two. Once the IBT won that vote it represented all the US AIRWAYS workers. But other than the 1800 [4 stations] they were still non-contract until a contract could be negotiated for them.

At any rate, Joe, if you need any other clarifications, email me at [email protected]

regards,

 

[phlforce]

700,
Go sit with the agc's at local 1725 an pull up all this garbage with the archive books......in front of you. Tim doesn't need archives he knows the facts in his head with no help.