IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application
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ThirdSeatHero
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WorldTraveler said:
Yeah, interesting thing - Looking at Deltas outsourcing in that same report its trending nicely upwards as well.
Oh it might not be at UALs 52% ...yet, but its growing as well. 42% and counting
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You are a liar once again!WorldTraveler said:
http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=20295&item=123018
http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=20295&item=123010
WorldTraveler
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my comments were in reference to rampers and maintenance and not pilots.
I know full well that DL terminated its PMDL pilot pensions in BK.
That has been discussed a million times on here before.
But as with every other thing on here, you would rather call someone a liar than to read something in context along with what has been said on the subject before.
The liars AND hypocrites are those who look for any opportunity to call someone a liar while covering one's own gigantic lapses in telling the truth and logic on a repeated basis.
Excluding profit sharing from comments about compensation is precisely that type of thing that you have done - over and over again - because it shows that DL employees have gained more in compensation gains and they are well above their unionized peers in the process. And you would NEVER admit that DL employees have done better than their peers at AA and UA.
so you just lie.
psst.
the DL employees know better. that is why they have repeatedly kicked the IAM to the curb - and cut up tens of thousands of union cards as well.
Employee choice is alive and well at DL - and the IAM is still on the outside looking in.
I know full well that DL terminated its PMDL pilot pensions in BK.
That has been discussed a million times on here before.
But as with every other thing on here, you would rather call someone a liar than to read something in context along with what has been said on the subject before.
The liars AND hypocrites are those who look for any opportunity to call someone a liar while covering one's own gigantic lapses in telling the truth and logic on a repeated basis.
Excluding profit sharing from comments about compensation is precisely that type of thing that you have done - over and over again - because it shows that DL employees have gained more in compensation gains and they are well above their unionized peers in the process. And you would NEVER admit that DL employees have done better than their peers at AA and UA.
so you just lie.
psst.
the DL employees know better. that is why they have repeatedly kicked the IAM to the curb - and cut up tens of thousands of union cards as well.
Employee choice is alive and well at DL - and the IAM is still on the outside looking in.
WorldTraveler
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and you can and should have been able to read the context of the conversation.
but you don't want to because then you couldn't throw a charge of liar out.
It is clear that DL terminated its PMDL pilot pensions. I know that and you do too and I have stated it dozens of times before
but you don't want to because then you couldn't throw a charge of liar out.
It is clear that DL terminated its PMDL pilot pensions. I know that and you do too and I have stated it dozens of times before
Kev3188
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I have a frozen pension and one in limbo. I would love the opportunity for my work group to negotiate the sort of 401k matches & contribution levels represented groups at DL have...
WorldTraveler
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top of the morning to you, Kev.
you also have said you think that you should get the same dollar amount as pilots in profit sharing - and that is simply not going to happen.
B6' non-contract pilots got higher retirement funding than you did.
You and every other employee, including pilots, are paid based on the market.
You, like DL pilots, are paid above average for your workgroup.
This is capitalism, not socialism.
you also have said you think that you should get the same dollar amount as pilots in profit sharing - and that is simply not going to happen.
B6' non-contract pilots got higher retirement funding than you did.
You and every other employee, including pilots, are paid based on the market.
You, like DL pilots, are paid above average for your workgroup.
This is capitalism, not socialism.
Kev3188
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No, I have said PS should be divided equally amongst /every/ employee. Still want that. Not gonna argue or apologize for it. We all had an equal hand in generating that revenue, we all should see an equal return on it.
WorldTraveler
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It's what you believe and I am not trying to argue that you shouldn't believe it.
It is simply not capitalism but socialism and won't happen.
PS is paid relative to one's salary as part of the total salary of the company.
If you can find a company, not government, that does what you state, you would be one step forward in providing basis for your belief.
It is simply not capitalism but socialism and won't happen.
PS is paid relative to one's salary as part of the total salary of the company.
If you can find a company, not government, that does what you state, you would be one step forward in providing basis for your belief.
Kev3188
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Don't forget, lots of DL employees are also IAMNPF plan participants...
WorldTraveler
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I believe Kev has one too.
but he and others will get peanuts from about a bunch of different plans.
his best pension will come from DL with whom he will likely spend decades.
but he and others will get peanuts from about a bunch of different plans.
his best pension will come from DL with whom he will likely spend decades.
WeAAsles
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He still refuses to talk about my 20 years career vs that of my similar DL counterpart. On that conversation he knows that he can't win so he just ignores it.
Not to mention that my pension was only just frozen and I have no social security offset when I begin to collect. Looks like one day I'll be hitting golf balls while my DL counterpart will more than likely have to caddy my bag.
Not to mention that my pension was only just frozen and I have no social security offset when I begin to collect. Looks like one day I'll be hitting golf balls while my DL counterpart will more than likely have to caddy my bag.
WeAAsles
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"Here's another way to look at the Big Picture and the Wool being pulled over your eyes.
If all of our IFS changes have been "cost neutral", meaning funds shift within as opposed to being added in, then despite higher numbers on a pay chart, we haven't truly received a raise at all since we merged.
For every penny added to the pay chart, another penny was subtracted from benefits.
Less health care, less profit sharing, less ground time, less vacation ...... Etc.
So, "Cost neutral" is only beneficial to one party, and that party isn't us !
Living "laterally" is not improving your life.
Union now !"
"THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. I have my old paychecks to prove it. $750 family deductible on the PPO Option B in 2010 vs over $5000 on the Gold plan now; not to mention how much more I'm paying the plan all before it covers me."
If all of our IFS changes have been "cost neutral", meaning funds shift within as opposed to being added in, then despite higher numbers on a pay chart, we haven't truly received a raise at all since we merged.
For every penny added to the pay chart, another penny was subtracted from benefits.
Less health care, less profit sharing, less ground time, less vacation ...... Etc.
So, "Cost neutral" is only beneficial to one party, and that party isn't us !
Living "laterally" is not improving your life.
Union now !"
"THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. I have my old paychecks to prove it. $750 family deductible on the PPO Option B in 2010 vs over $5000 on the Gold plan now; not to mention how much more I'm paying the plan all before it covers me."
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