IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application

[WeAAsles]

if negotiating in and of itself resulted in higher salaries, then why isn't there a single US airline that pays the same for pilots and other groups?given that most of the industry EXCEPT for DL has unions with pilots plus other groups, it should be provable that non-pilots should benefit at those other airlines with higher total compensation but that isn't the case.Despite the class envy that you and other leaders love to put on display, unions have shown no success in bringing up salaries relative to other workgroups including mgmt.

"Junk Mail"

 

[WorldTraveler]

just answer the question why if negotiating an agreement is the key to getting higher pay, why the APFA couldn't get the same level of pay raises or total pay that AA gave the APA - and that is true at other airlines as well?

you've made the statement that DL non-contract personnel are so disadvantaged because pilots can negotiate their pay but DL non-contract personnel cannot - and yet you can't come up with a single example of where non-pilot personnel at any other large airline are paid the same as pilot personnel.

No, it's not junk mail. It's a legitimate question.

 

[WeAAsles]

Who said ANYTHING about ME expecting to be paid what a Pilot gets paid? What another idiotic comment to make. I did say that ALL personnel who are a part of the carriers success should share in the PROFIT equally.

Your fervor to always win all arguments at ant cost is why people consider you nothing more than a troll on these boards that sadly has left little more people who continue to bother and participate anymore.

Arguing with you is excepting the junk mail in the box and asking the post man to give you even more junk that no one needs or wants.

No one can ever win or convince you anything, so why honestly bother to try.

 

[WorldTraveler]

expecting that PS should be EQUALLY shared among all employees means that higher paid employees such as pilots wouldn't get their SHARE of PS - 16% of their salary - if the pie is recut.

Regardless of what you believe, PS will not be dollar for dollar shared.

It will be percentage shared equally.

AT Delta Air Lines.

At AA, where the CEO doesn't think the frontline workers have any influence in determining the profitability of the company, there will be no sharing of AA's profits at all.

Stockholders and execs will get ALL of the reward.

it's amazing how your class warfare arguments vanish when confronted with the reality that union represented AA creates more class warfare by its CEO statements and unwillingness to share than DL does.

Speck, meet Log.

 

[WeAAsles]

What's impossible for you I guess to either comprehend or fathom is that "I" would NEVER trade what I have in contractual language to be an "At Will" employee subject to the whim of the Corporation. There isn't enough "today" money that could be thrown at me to change my mind and "Your World" only revolves around the current moment, "Today" What people make without a contract is intangible and can blow away like a fart in the wind at a moments notice.

Oh I admit I can certainly lose items but for my company to be able to accomplish that takes some work. Either a very contentious negotiating session or a court process has to be initiated for modifications to occur. And in that court process there is also language for any and all that have contracts with the carrier known as "Fair and Equitable" That means that I take the same cuts by "Percentage" as all others. AND I was compensated for my losses through shares in the newly reorganized company. 

BUT you already know all of this except you cannot admit to it since it wouldn't help your narrative (Or portfolio) I surmise if the employees of Delta were able to gain a measure of control over their own destinies and fortunes.

Anyway this is what I have. 209 pages
http://twu.org/Portals/0/AirContracts/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf

This is what my DL counterpart has
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[WorldTraveler]

Since you don't work for Delta Air Lines, you don't have to worry about trading anything.

AA won't ever become non-union again.

DL employees get to decide their fate and they have decided by majority that they don't want further unions among the largest non-pilot workgroups.

They are smart enough to weigh all of the evidence and all of the factors and decide what is best for themselves.

The IAM has withdrawn its FA vote application -the subject of this thread -because they don't have enough cards to support a valid election whether cards were tampered or not.

got it?

 

[700UW]

Decide their fate?

Another lie, DL's non-union employees only have the right to quit under their control, everything else is controlled by Ma DL and they are employees at will.

 

[Kev3188]

Who said ANYTHING about ME expecting to be paid what a Pilot gets paid? What another idiotic comment to make.

The only people that say that are those interested in dragging any given concerted work discussion out into the weeds.

You have to understand that here it's usually "don't worry; we get what the pilots get."

When that proves inaccurate, then it's "if you want to get what the pilots get, become a pilot."

When that fallacy is pointed out, the response usually defaults to, "if you don't like it, leave."

 

[WeAAsles]

The only people that say that are those interested in dragging any given concerted work discussion out into the weeds.

You have to understand that here it's usually "don't worry; we get what the pilots get."

When that proves inaccurate, then it's "if you want to get what the pilots get, become a pilot."

When that fallacy is pointed out, the response usually defaults to, "if you don't like it, leave."

Of course. It never deviates to "You should organize and try and negotiate for what you feel you deserve"

Because that's the fact on where the Pilots sit and have the ability to accomplish as a collective voice.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL people have always had the option to organize... a majority have decided that is not in their interests.

There is no fallacy, or fallacies. Those are market realities for labor. all of them.

 

[southwind]

Decide their fate?
Another lie, DL's non-union employees only have the right to quit under their control, everything else is controlled by Ma DL and they are employees at will.

BY THEIR CHOICE!

Any more questions?

 

[WeAAsles]

BY THEIR CHOICE!
Any more questions?

Answer me one question? Forget the idea behind a Union as what you feel you know and don't like about them.

Would you prefer to have a contract with your employer or remain "AT will" if you work in one of those RTW States?

Simple question. Contract or no contract?

 

[southwind]

Answer me one question? Forget the idea behind a Union as what you feel you know and don't like about them.

Would you prefer to have a contract with your employer or remain "AT will" if you work in one of those RTW States?

Simple question. Contract or no contract?

 
Simple question, simple answer. I prefer to not pay a 3rd party, that usually puts itself before their members and is, in my eyes, no better than the corporations they infiltrate, because of that fact! One union, in particular, in this topic, actually performed struck work.....wtf?
Having a union, does not guarantee that you will keep your job until you desire to leave it, as seen many times through BK's in the industry!
A unions #1 job is just like a politicians.........remain in power, at all cost's!
Now please refute any of the above claims as false.

 

[Kev3188]

Right on time, dog whistle messaging and all...

You can set your watch to this s***.

Did you really expect anything different, WeAAsles?

 

[metopower]

Right on time, dog whistle messaging and all...
You can set your watch to this s***.
Did you really expect anything different, WeAAsles?[/quote



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