iam twu alliance vote

[Bob Owens]

So show the board where you obtained our Jurists Doctorate, since both the IAM and TWU legal department and lawyers said it is legitimage.
 
I know the man who wrote the alliance agreement and you will see when it is filed with the NMB.
 
The vote will be for the alliance or no representation.

You are a liar.

The question here is "if the members reject the alliance would they be left with no union and no contract".

You are omitting information in order to threaten the members into accepting something they do not want.

If such a vote was put before the members they would have a third option, write in. The members would be able to write in TWU, IAM, IBT or AMFA. The Union does not have the right to impose internal political objectives on the membership by threatening to remove representation and the contract. It may be according to the opinions of your IAM lawyers legitimage but not legitimate.

 

[Bob Owens]

Why would he craft it so that a no vote for the alliance would lead to decertification? Was he worried it wouldn't pass unless there were repercussions for voting no?

Fear tactic. Also a good indicator of what we can expect from such an alliance.

Regardless of what they imply or threaten I will be against this Alliance travesty. We were able to rid ourselves of Jim Little and his cabal of company Unionists, unfortunately the IAM members chose to keep the same people who have nearly destroyed that union in place, albeit through a primitive electoral process where members were not given internet access to voting.

The Alliance leaves us with the worst of all possible situations, split between two unions. This plan is worse than those that came before it. It only splits up the line and does so incoherently . There was no thought to how it affects the members it was planned solely based on each union retaining the dues flow they currently have and not about effectively representing us. Maybe the agents were ok with an east-west alliance, at least there is some semblance of a structure to that, but what they are offering us has no structure, designed by pure happenstance for the sole purpose of cash flow to the respective unions.

No matter what they threaten us with or imply through omission we must reject this Alliance, they need to work out something else.

700 is dancing around the real question so if it does get voted down he can claim "I never said that you would end up without representation or without a Union I only said what the vote will say. That makes him a liar. Unfortunately its this type of game playing with the members thats destroying Unions in this country.

 

[iluvaa]

I will vote no. No matter what

 

[1AA]

I can just see the wording on the ballot. No means yes for alliance and yes means no alliance. Or maybe yes means yes for an alliance and no means yes for an alliance.
The alliance has no legal right to decertify themselves. Only the members can under a vote conducted by the NMB. It is time to start informing our fellow workers of this travesty that is coming our way. Read the last few posts from Bob Owens and pass it around at work. Best information so far on this Alliance issue.
 
700UW time for you to butt out of our issues. This is about AMT's at AA and USAir. You are neither and never were. You have been told in the past to stay out of our business and you even told others on this board the same. So take your own advice for once.
Do you interject your ideas to the pilots and flight attendants at USAir or AA? I heard they told you to stay out of their affairs. Well stay out of ours. Public forum or not you are not a AMT and never were and never represented by the TWU. Your not even employed in the field anymore. I suggest you polish up your list of accomplishments and try sticking your nose back in the pilot forums and see how far it goes this time.
BUT, I know you can not help yourself as usual.

 

[700UW]

If you dont like differing opinions, then dont read them.
 
You are trying to control the debate, the facts, and the discussion, when you buy the board, you can make your own rules.
 
Meanwhile, if you dont like it, then use the ignore feature.
 
Go non-union, and see you at the unemployment line.
 
Do you not understand the concept of a forum and message board?

 

[1AA]

That did not take long.
 
BTW, how are your buddies over at the Pilots forums doing?
 
Keep spreading half truths or half lies about the union decertification on a internal vote. Everyone knows that only the NMB can decertify through a vote controlled by the NMB.
 
The problem is that if the ballot does not have a majority selection then under the NMB there is insufficient interest in any choice and then there will be NO union or a decertification. Is the TWU/IAM willing to gamble away all that money? I doubt it. Nothing but a fear tactic.
The Alliance selection will not get much support.
The fill in will probably get a bunch of write ins.
ie.. TWU,IAM,IBT,AMFA. No clear majority there.
the NO union selection will get some takers and there you have it.
Final result NO UNION.
I doubt the TWU/IAM and the AFL-CIO will allow this to happen.

 

[700UW]

 

[1AA]

Your opinion based on what? More fear tactics. Source of your photoshop chart?
I bet the Alliance made this chart up. I can just see it in the mail when the Alliance tries to convince us to vote for them. How pathetic. Typical industrial unionism.

 

[700UW]

You would lose if you made that bet.
 
I am not spreading fear tactics at all, not my style.
 
You just want to silence anyone who doesnt agree with your or thinks like you.
 
The source is the truth, the facts and what can happen under the laws of this Country and States.
 
If you think it is wrong, refute it.

 

[1AA]

Unfortunately you have not convinced anyone on this board and you have no access on the property to spew you foolishness. Bob Owens a high level TWU officer is even against your craap. He has more to say and better informed. He can get the word out and already has done so. Many I talked too want no part of this alliance. Looks like only a few on this board are interested in pushing for it. It won't happen. Unless the TWU/IAM find a underhanded back door deal to push it through without the members consent.

 

[700UW]

And his boss Rich Lombardo is for it.
 
I will have access when and if I need it.
 
So keep trying to silence people who dont agree with you, says all what you are about.

 

[737823]

And his boss Rich Lombardo is for it.
 
I will have access when and if I need it.
 
So keep trying to silence people who dont agree with you, says all what you are about.

So you're getting paid by the IAM to help pull off this BS?

Josh

 

[700UW]

No one is paying me for being here, I dont receive a paycheck from the IAM nor do I work for them.
 
How many times are you going to ask me the same question?
 
Are you insane?
 
As you know insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting different results.
 
So is Delta,Gerry Glass or Ford and Harrison paying you to post lies and misinformation here?
 
And you butted in on a Mechanic Thread, another broken promise by you.

 

[paul1]

Paul1
 
PM me and  i will send you the IAM/TWU ,manifesto and the Q&A

ok pm

 

[1AA]

You would lose if you made that bet.
 
I am not spreading fear tactics at all, not my style.
 
You just want to silence anyone who doesnt agree with your or thinks like you.
 
The source is the truth, the facts and what can happen under the laws of this Country and States.
 
If you think it is wrong, refute it.

Really? You post a chart that shows fear of non union, then you said see you on the unemployment line. That to me is spreading fear. Again you are a liar. No creditability.
Bob Owens called you a liar and yet you did not respond to his reply to your posts. Why is that? How does it feel on the outside looking in with your lips pressed firmly on the window?